Most Competitive Club Class Ship

Bob, I think the 24 is beyond what I want to put out for now. In a few years when I retire, then thats a different matter.
Dan

Same goes for the szd55. I have however always liked the standard jantars. The early one flew ok when I had a chance to fly one but they say the 2 is much more nimble. However, I don’t often see any of either model jantar coming up for sale too often.
Dan

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 5:14:05 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Bob, I think the 24 is beyond what I want to put out for now. In a few years when I retire, then thats a different matter.
Dan

You are probably right on the timeframe, I have flown the 24 a bit and it is really a nice flying glider, especially with the handicap. Bob

I've owned my ASW 24 for 28+ years and see no reason to change, especially since UH helped me refinish it a few years ago. As he noted, it's competitive in Std., Club and Sports. I've also flown 15 Meter Combined here in the East (handicapped), and 15M (again, back East there's not a lot of difference). I flew straight up against the Discus 2 and LS-8 for years and didn't see much if any difference so the fact that I get a small handicap now is great. Throw in Gerhard Waibel's safety cockpit and the fact that the '24 wing is almost impervious to the slow curing and profile warping that can occur with other gliders and it's a winner. I'm biased, of course.

Two caveats:

1) though I can't speak from experience, I understand that the '24 must be "flown" a bit more than, say, a Discus or LS; and

2) you'll want to upgrade the winglets if it still has the factory tips. From experience, UH can help there, too, as he can if you find one that's been shot up by loud-talking, gun-toting aerial cowboys.

Chip Bearden
JB

LOL, gotta watch it with the aerial cowboy thing lol, cutting close to the bone there lol, but as to the 24, that is all spot on. That ship has stayed competitive from inception to today. Now if u could talk to Bob and get him to send another 10k up my way, I would pull the trigger on one lol.

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 5:39:44 PM UTC-4, wrote:
I've owned my ASW 24 for 28+ years and see no reason to change, especially since UH helped me refinish it a few years ago. As he noted, it's competitive in Std., Club and Sports. I've also flown 15 Meter Combined here in the East (handicapped), and 15M (again, back East there's not a lot of difference). I flew straight up against the Discus 2 and LS-8 for years and didn't see much if any difference so the fact that I get a small handicap now is great. Throw in Gerhard Waibel's safety cockpit and the fact that the '24 wing is almost impervious to the slow curing and profile warping that can occur with other gliders and it's a winner. I'm biased, of course.

Two caveats:

1) though I can't speak from experience, I understand that the '24 must be "flown" a bit more than, say, a Discus or LS; and

2) you'll want to upgrade the winglets if it still has the factory tips. From experience, UH can help there, too, as he can if you find one that's been shot up by loud-talking, gun-toting aerial cowboys.

Chip Bearden
JB

Chip, I have the old P1 that Ray Galloway had, I have flown it against a few other sailplanes and without a doubt it performs very well. Some of the 15 meter gods with flaps would be shaking their heads looking at my rear side. Eileen flies it most of the time now and I fly something else, but it is without a doubt a great standard class ship that in the right hands can compete Bob

On Friday, 3 April 2020 20:52:08 UTC+3, Tony wrote:
At the FAI level it seems like it used to be Cirrus or Libelle, but then they changed the handicap and now its ASW-20.


If the question is: "what glider has way too low handicap for it's performance in current FAI list", the answer is LS7.

That we make these questions, and can answer them, tells a lot about quality of FAI handicaps.

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 10:31:31 PM UTC-6, krasw wrote:
On Friday, 3 April 2020 20:52:08 UTC+3, Tony wrote:
At the FAI level it seems like it used to be Cirrus or Libelle, but then they changed the handicap and now its ASW-20.


If the question is: "what glider has way too low handicap for it's performance in current FAI list", the answer is LS7.

That we make these questions, and can answer them, tells a lot about quality of FAI handicaps.

I think the Phoebus A would be in the running as well. The polar really drops off as it picks up speed, with a VNE of only 108 knots.

My Club class Standard Cirrus #187 has the factory wing incidence improvement and the airbrake panel mod. Low airframe time. Nice Eberle trailer. Hangared at Marfa, in southwest Texas. I've owned it since 1999, always hangared. Available for sale. Details by E-mail only to marfagliders At A0L dott c0m

Hi Burt I would love to have your Cirrus, I checked it out in as much detail as I could without visiting when you first put her on the market. But you’ve got her pretty highly priced, no offense intended at all. From what I see of her she is in immaculate condx. But at that asking price I think I could just get into a better performing machine design wise.
Dan