If you are looking for a fight...

(ArtKramr) wrote in message ...
Seems to be something wrong when you want to fight and they won't let you.

Do you think we would have won WWII if everyone who wanted to fight,
got to? You can't send everyone who wants to be there, to the front.

Wars were more fun back then.

More fun huh? That's messed up.

~Michael

Subject: If you are looking for a fight...
From: Ed Rasimus
Date: 7/7/03 10:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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"Kilroy" wrote:


"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
Didn't take long to lower the level of discourse.

Are eee esss pee eee cee tee--just a little bit....

It is a two way street, buddy.
He needs a Valium.

Let's start out by acknowledging that WW II was a long time ago and
fortunately for most of us we haven't again seen a conflict of that
magnitude. That result may be partly attributable to the sacrifices
made by that generation. It's difficult to comprehend the involvement
of all aspects of society and the impact on folks who were involved.

We can be grateful that Art participates in the group, that he shares
his memories of his experiences and that he freely expresses his
opinions. I don't agree with everything he says and will confess that
occasionally I express that disagreement.

But, I do it with an explanation of my position and a respect for his.
Respect is definitely a two-way street and demonstrating respect isn't
just for the other guy, it reflects favorably on the respecter.

This ****ing contests regarding whose is bigger don't do much but
waste bandwidth. And, in short order we have a collection of anonymous
twits sharing their ignorance. Frankly that doesn't appeal to me.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (ret)
***"When Thunder Rolled:
*** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam"
*** from Smithsonian Books
ISBN: 1588341038



Ed,

Thanks for the kind words. I don't mind argument and criticism. I rather enjoy
it. But I draw the line when someone who was never in the military, has no
combat expxerence, no hours on the air tells me what war was :"really like". I
think that sort of behavior creates new highs in the world of hubris.. But we
must never suffer fools gladly. I stay on this NG because of the large amounts
of e mail I get regularly that makes it all worthwhile.
Thanks again.



Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

(ArtKramr) wrote:

I draw the line when someone who was never in the military, has no
combat expxerence, no hours on the air tells me what war was :"really like".

Can I see a citation for that, Art?

Who's doing that?


Billy

http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php

Subject: If you are looking for a fight...
From: "Billy Beck
Date: 7/8/03 8:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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(ArtKramr) wrote:

I draw the line when someone who was never in the military, has no
combat expxerence, no hours on the air tells me what war was :"really
like".

Can I see a citation for that, Art?

Who's doing that?


Billy


If you don't know you haven't been paying attention. And your attempt to have
me name the obvious names is nothing more than a weak attempt on your part to
rekindle the same flame wars again. You have failed again
..
Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...

If you don't know you haven't been paying attention. And your attempt to
have
me name the obvious names is nothing more than a weak attempt on your part
to
rekindle the same flame wars again. You have failed again


I have been paying attention. Nobody's been doing that, there are no
obvious names. It's all in your head.

Subject: If you are looking for a fight...
From: Yeff
Date: 7/7/03 3:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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On 07 Jul 2003 22:09:18 GMT, ArtKramr wrote:

Whatever happened to the old Army Air Corps that I knew and loved? Back
then
if you ere l;looking ior a fight, you were damned well sure to get one. And
if you didn't get a fight, then you didn't look hard enough. (sheesh)

I was also in a critically manned career field. Volunteering to do
something else (anything else) to go over was also out of the question.

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com


I didn't want to do anything else. Just what I was trained to do.


Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

From: artkramr

Oh I forgot. I was the first editor of Sports Cars Ilustrated (now Car and
Driver) and was involved with Grand Prix racing, I knew Sterling Moss, Juan
Fangio and Mike Hawthorne before he wrapped himself around a tree. My one
regret is that I never met Tazio Nuvalari..

By any chance did you know
Robert Daley? He was the European editor of the NY Times and got interested in
GP racing in the 1950s. He was a photog, selling race photos freelance to a
number of publications, and did a number of stories for the Times on GP racing,
illustrating them with his own photos. He wrote two good books on auto racing
in the '50s and '60s that you may remember, "Cars at Speed" and "The Cruel
Sport."


Chris Mark

Subject: If you are looking for a fight...
From: ost (Chris Mark)
Date: 7/9/03 1:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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From: artkramr

I never kew him but I may have a copy of Cars at Speed buried somewhere in
the
garage.Is that the exact title?

I'm pretty sure that is the exact title. It came out around 1960 as I
recall.
Quite a page turner.


Chris Mark



I sort of remember it having a yellow cover. I poked around looking for it and
sure enough I saw the yellow cover but it turned out to be Sports Cars in
Action by John R. Bond. I guess I don't have a copy of Sports Cars at Speed
after all. (BTW, whe I first wentot work on Ford, my first assignment was to
wirte Thunderbird advertising. That put me in contact with Lee Iaccocca. He is
a very impressive guy, Very, very smart. Best metal bender ever.

Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: If you are looking for a fight...
From: Mike18XX
Date: 7/11/03 10:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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In article ,
(ArtKramr) wrote:

Let us never forget the guy, a true hero, who makes shoe laces. If a
shoelace
breaks you are hosed. Let's have a shoelace memorial.And a new medal. The
DSC
The Distinguished Shoelace Cross. Let's hear it for shoelaces men.


You're being sarcastic, of course, but there are some of us who feel
that way about ALL medals:

"No truly worthy man is comfortable accepting an award, let alone
bragging about it. Who, other than he himself, would he view as fit to
judge his abilities, in order to bestow the seal of approval? Awards are
invariably given away by second-handers, as is candy to babies."

--

Oh I don't know. I think an Air Medal for every 5 mission over Germany is kinda
well deserved. But I guess you wouldn't have any way of knowing about that.
This is especially true for those who never came back.


Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

(ArtKramr) wrote:


You're being sarcastic, of course, but there are some of us who feel
that way about ALL medals:

"No truly worthy man is comfortable accepting an award, let alone
bragging about it. Who, other than he himself, would he view as fit to
judge his abilities, in order to bestow the seal of approval? Awards are
invariably given away by second-handers, as is candy to babies."

Oh I don't know. I think an Air Medal for every 5 mission over Germany is kinda
well deserved.


Why not 4? Why not 1? Arbitrary.


But I guess you wouldn't have any way of knowing about that.


But I do, Art. There are more ways to stare Death in the face than you
seem to be aware of, and your way isn't any more frightening than mine.


This is especially true for those who never came back.


So spend your own money minting buckets of the things, and pour 'em on
the cemetaries of Europe. I mean, if you believe in restless spirits and
that sort of thing.

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