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B A R R Y wrote:
Ross wrote: On my commerical checkride, right after completing the unusual attitudes under the hood, I was given the engine out emergency immediately. I did all the prep work and set up for an empty field below me. The examiner asked what was wrong with the airport about 2 miles at my 4 o'clock position. I made the airport. A better one: On a mock checkride, the instructor got me out from under the hood with an airport in sight, just out of glide range, and another below and slightly behind me. He failed the engine immediately. I took the bait and tried to reach the obvious of the two! Man, did I learn a lot from that! This happened on a BFR. I had the under the hood again and then the emergency. I took a quick scan and knew where I was and remember there was a private turf field right near me. I made the approach and then was told OK and lets go back. That one was lucky. -- Regards, Ross C-172F 180HP KSWI |
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Ross wrote:
This happened on a BFR. I had the under the hood again and then the emergency. I took a quick scan As I (like anyone else) have gained experience, things seem to happen slower, so it wouldn't work now. As ****ed as I was at the time, thinking I'd been tricked, I now realize it was a terrific lesson. |
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On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 20:54:16 +1100, dVaridel wrote:
As the PIC you aren't allowed below 500' (unless taking off, landing, training for a rating or crashing), and you have shown poor judgement in allowing your "passenger" to goad you into low flying. I don't know how they do it in Oz, but up here you get to pick your own examiner. These people derive reasonable income from their exam fees. If an examiner gets a reputation for being too tough (or being too much of a dick), the word gets out and nobody uses them. Pilot examiners have to walk a fine line between being desirable to flight schools and tough enough to filter out candidates that are not qualified. -- Dallas |
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On Jan 5, 8:31 am, Dallas wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 20:54:16 +1100, dVaridel wrote: As the PIC you aren't allowed below 500' (unless taking off, landing, training for a rating or crashing), and you have shown poor judgement in allowing your "passenger" to goad you into low flying. I don't know how they do it in Oz, but up here you get to pick your own examiner. These people derive reasonable income from their exam fees. If an examiner gets a reputation for being too tough (or being too much of a dick), the word gets out and nobody uses them. Pilot examiners have to walk a fine line between being desirable to flight schools and tough enough to filter out candidates that are not qualified. When I did my PPL flight test I had a run through with the examiner who was an "A" Cat who owned the other flying school. He continued the forced landing exercise right down to the deck to see if I'd get in. Take up gliding folks, you get pretty good at forced landings :-) The actual flight test was a breeze |
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On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:46:30 GMT, Steve Foley wrote:
I'll disagree with you. It shows how the student reacts when something unexpected happens. But if the student didn't react well to the trick, would that be grounds to bust the checkride? Asking a candidate to come up with a ground frequency while in a stressful situation falls under "Cockpit Management" and is a DPE checklist item. Looking through the PTS, I don't see anything on the examiner's test checklist that requires the student to be tested or pass something like this. Most candidates don't get a lot of sleep before exam day and to start off the flight with a sneaky trick like this could have the poor fellow completely distracted waiting for the next trick. This one just seems outside the boundaries of fairness and it could jeopardize the candidate's checkride over an issue that is not required by the PTS. -- Dallas |
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Dallas wrote:
While I was inside, the examiner reattached the tail tiedown. That's completely rotten and unfair! That would never happen in real life and pretty much serves no purpose during a checkride, except to un-nerve the poor student who is already in a pretty frazzled state already. I call foul! Not in the least bit unfair. The examiner was attempting to emphasize the point that you need to look over the aicraft again, if it has been out of your sight since you completed the preflight. The "embarrasing incident" I referred to had to do with me loudly revving up an airplane, trying to get it to move (and drawing quite a crowd). The reason it didn't move was because someone had put the chocks back in place after I'd done the preflight. I'd gone into the office to ask my CFI a final question, and some helpful soul came along and noticed that the plane was not chocked. John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) -- Message posted via AviationKB.com http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums...ation/200801/1 |
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On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:12:57 -0600, Dallas wrote:
What other favorite examiner tricks are out there? I'll answer my own post.. I forgot I had one :- ) I had been warned that my DPE did like to do one test... One guy had a nice set up for his engine out and was gliding in nicely towards an open cow pasture. At that point the examiner said, "Go ahead and land..." The poor guy said, "really?" in a meek voice. He sat up straight and got a good serious look on his face and continued to land. At 20 feet AGL she called it off. Afterwards, she told him she was very pleased with the way he handled it. -- Dallas |
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Dallas writes:
I don't know how they do it in Oz, but up here you get to pick your own examiner. These people derive reasonable income from their exam fees. If an examiner gets a reputation for being too tough (or being too much of a dick), the word gets out and nobody uses them. Pilot examiners have to walk a fine line between being desirable to flight schools and tough enough to filter out candidates that are not qualified. Obviously they are motivated to not be too tough, but what consequences do they risk if they just let everyone pass? |
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Dallas wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:12:57 -0600, Dallas wrote: What other favorite examiner tricks are out there? I'll answer my own post.. I forgot I had one :- ) I had been warned that my DPE did like to do one test... One guy had a nice set up for his engine out and was gliding in nicely towards an open cow pasture. At that point the examiner said, "Go ahead and land..." The poor guy said, "really?" in a meek voice. He sat up straight and got a good serious look on his face and continued to land. At 20 feet AGL she called it off. Afterwards, she told him she was very pleased with the way he handled it. Really, the better answer would have been, "No, not really." Which was the exact answer I gave when the DPE on my Helicopter check ride asked if I would like to take the auto-rotation all the way to the ground. I knew it wasn't required for Private and though I had had to do an actual solo during training it wasn't something I enjoyed and there was just no reason to take the risk. |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Obviously they are motivated to not be too tough, but what consequences do they risk if they just let everyone pass? I have no doubt that you aren't going to understand this but I'll write it anyway. Most people when put in a position of public trust will do what they can to live up to that trust. |
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