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Next time I go to Bitburg I will take a geiger counter to see if your
implication of a nuke test there is valid. But please visit Bikini with your counter first!. |
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"Denyav" wrote in message ... The simplest proof of who built the first atom bomb is who used it first. If the Nazis had 2 bombs and denyav has stated they would have used at least one even if they had to tansport it by boat or truck. Same for the Soviets. You forget that they were "incomplete" in april 45,what Germans needed a couple of more weeks or like Eisenhower implied in his book "Crusade in Europa" a couple of more months. Yet you claim they tested one in 1944 Hmmm Keith |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:46:15 -0000, "Keith Willshaw"
wrote: [Nazi nuclear tests in the Baltic] So lets get this straight, the thousands of people who live on the island never noticed it and you think this is credible ? Wow Please don't interrupt creative genius at work. This is the most amusement I've been given by a usenet thread in months. Don't stop the rock, dude. Although grateful thanks are due to you for discovering and promoting this guy's talent, Keith. Gavin Bailey |
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Yet you claim they tested one in 1944
Hmmm Yes,Ruegen test apparently took place in late 44,but information about that very sketchy,but there is even a photo of it taken from stralsund,I did not know anything about that before. Much publicized test took place on 4.3.45 in Ohrendorf TUP. Germans apparently built a w54 style low yield bomb (15-20 t yield range)for testing purposes only. |
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"Denyav" wrote in message ... Yet you claim they tested one in 1944 Hmmm Yes,Ruegen test apparently took place in late 44,but information about that very sketchy,but there is even a photo of it taken from stralsund,I did not know anything about that before. So how come the people in the dozen or so towns and villages on the island didnt notice ? I'd have thought 3/KG200 might have been a trifle discomfited too, they were after all based there at the time. Keith |
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The difference is there really were nuclear devices lit off in Bikini and
there is more than ample evidence of it. You implied an atomic bomb was tested in Bitburg. That is why I made the geiger counter comment. But you should not expect to measure much higher radiation levels than Bikini in Jonastal. There is a big fundamental difference between Bikini and Jonastal namely US did everything possible so that every soul on this planet could learn what was going on in Bikini whereas the same US did everything (and still doing) possible to make sure that no one on the planet could learn what really happened in Jonastal. So, exactly where were those two tests? Based on verifiable evidence if the bombs were tested they failed which shoots down your entire claim about the U.S. needing Nazi research to complete their bombs. According to hundreds of eyewitness accounts which includes crew of a USAAF plane,Jonastal bomb exploded. Eyewitness accounts are consistent with 15-20t yield nuclear explosion. Also deaths occurred in this region later are also consistent with high levels of radiation associated with low yield nuclear explosions. If you discredit hundreds of eyewitnesses just because they were Germans or forced laborers ,if you attempt to discredit US aircrew by saying they were hallucinating of course you can not find anybody to verify. I am pretty sure even if FDR had seen the test with his own eyes,Grooves would find something to discredit him. You said one of the tests was an air burst. There is no way on God's Earth you could get everyone who saw, heard or had knowledge of such an event to remain silent on the matter. This event has been eyewitnessed by the population of three small towns in the area and hundreds of forced laborers (many of them died days after) and their testimonies as well as the testimony of US pilot have been documented well documented,in various books on this subject. But apparently everybody,US,Germans,Soviets and everbody else wanted to forget this issue till late 80s,in other words till collapse of Soviet Union. This issue reappered with a high profile documentary of German TV channel ZDF in 1992. ZDF documentary was the product of almost ten years research conducted on three continents and was a very expensive production. But most importantly this ZDF production was financed by US private entities acting as proxies of US gov't. |
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"Denyav" wrote in message ... The difference is there really were nuclear devices lit off in Bikini and there is more than ample evidence of it. You implied an atomic bomb was tested in Bitburg. That is why I made the geiger counter comment. But you should not expect to measure much higher radiation levels than Bikini in Jonastal. And Bikini Atoll is still too contaminated for continuous habitation, shorts visits are possible but raising crops and living there permanently is still impossible DOH Keith |
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