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Old June 28th 08, 01:14 AM posted to alt.military.retired,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,alt.war.vietnam,alt.war
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Who's Planning Our Next War?

June 26, 2008

VDARE.COM - http://www.vdare.com/buchanan/080626_planning.htm

By Patrick J. Buchanan

Of the Axis-of-Evil nations named in his State of the Union in 2002,
President Bush has often said, "The United States will not permit the
world's most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world's most
destructive weapons."

He failed with North Korea. Will he accept failure in Iran, though
there is no hard evidence Iran has an active nuclear weapons program?

William Kristol of The Weekly Standard said Sunday a U.S. attack on
Iran after the election is more likely should Barack Obama win.
Presumably, Bush would trust John McCain to keep Iran nuclear free.

Yet, to start a third war in the Middle East against a nation three
times as large as Iraq, and leave it to a new president to fight,
would be a daylight hijacking of the congressional war power and a
criminally irresponsible act. For Congress alone has the power to
authorize war.

Yet Israel is even today pushing Bush into a pre-emptive war with a
naked threat to attack Iran itself should Bush refuse the cup.

In April, Israel held a five-day civil defense drill. In June, Israel
sent 100 F-15s and F-16s, with refueling tankers and helicopters to
pick up downed pilots, toward Greece in a simulated attack, a dress
rehearsal for war. The planes flew 1,400 kilometers, the distance to
Iran's uranium enrichment facility at Natanz.

Ehud Olmert came home from a June meeting with Bush to tell Israelis:

"We reached agreement on the need to take care of the Iranian
threat. ... I left with a lot less question marks regarding the means,
the timetable restrictions and American resoluteness. ...

"George Bush understands the severity of the Iranian threat and the
need to vanquish it, and intends to act on the matter before the end
of his term. ... The Iranian problem requires urgent attention, and I
see no reason to delay this just because there will be a new president
in the White House seven and a half months from now."

If Bush is discussing war on Iran with Ehud Olmert, why is he not
discussing it with Congress or the nation?

On June 6, Deputy Prime Minister Shaul Mofaz threatened, "If Iran
continues its nuclear weapons program, we will attack it." The price
of oil shot up 9 percent.

Is Israel bluffing—or planning to attack Iran if America balks?

Previous air strikes on the PLO command in Tunis, on the Osirak
reactor in Iraq and on the presumed nuclear reactor site in Syria last
September give Israel a high degree of credibility.

Still, attacking Iran would be no piece of cake.

Israel lacks the stealth and cruise-missile capacity to degrade Iran's
air defenses systematically and no longer has the element of surprise.
Israeli planes and pilots would likely be lost.

Israel also lacks the ability to stay over the target or conduct
follow-up strikes. The U.S. Air Force bombed Iraq for five weeks with
hundreds of daily runs in 1991 before Gen. Schwarzkopf moved.

Moreover, if Iran has achieved the capacity to enrich uranium, she has
surely moved centrifuges to parts of the country that Israel cannot
reach—and can probably replicate anything lost.

Israel would also have to over-fly Turkey, or Syria and U.S.-occupied
Iraq, or Saudi Arabia to reach Natanz. Turks, Syrians and Saudis would
deny Israel permission and might resist. For the U.S. military to let
Israel over-fly Iraq would make us an accomplice. How would that sit
with the Europeans who are supporting our sanctions on Iran and want
the nuclear issue settled diplomatically?

And who can predict with certitude how Iran would respond?

Would Iran attack Israel with rockets, inviting retaliation with
Jericho and cruise missiles from Israeli submarines? Would she close
the Gulf with suicide-boat attacks on tankers and U.S. warships?

With oil at $135 a barrel, Israeli air strikes on Iran would seem to
ensure a 2,000-point drop in the Dow and a world recession.

What would Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria do? All three are now in
indirect negotiations with Israel. U.S. forces in Afghanistan and Iraq
could be made by Iran to pay a high price in blood that could force
the United States to initiate its own air war in retaliation, and to
finish a war Israel had begun. But a U.S. war on Iran is not a
decision Bush can outsource to Ehud Olmert.

Tuesday, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Adm. Michael Mullins left for
Israel. CBS News cited U.S. officials as conceding the trip comes
"just as the Israelis are mounting a full court press to get the Bush
administration to strike Iran's nuclear complex."

Vice President Cheney is said to favor U.S. strikes. Secretary of
Defense Robert Gates and Mullins are said to be opposed.

Moving through Congress, powered by the Israeli lobby, is House
Resolution 362, which demands that President Bush impose a U.S.
blockade of Iran, an act of war.

Is it not time the American people were consulted on the next war that
is being planned for us?



----------------------------------------------------------------------



Ron Paul Speaks Out Against War With Iran:

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog/?p=87





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7354M1QmGYQ&fmt=18


Ron Paul Floor Speech on Iran & Foreign Policy

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog/?p=83





House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran
America’s powerful pro-Israel lobby pressures the US Congress

by Andrew W Cheetham

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9377



AIPAC is pushing us to war with Iran for Israel
See Video:

http://neoconzionistthreat.blogspot....with-iran.html



Here is a tiny URL for the above one:

http://tinyurl.com/22br9u



Israeli Threat Spikes Our Oil Prices, We Pay More For This (click on
the pic at the following URL to access the youtube video):

http://neoconzionistthreat.blogspot....prices-we.html



Here is a tiny URL of the above one:

http://tinyurl.com/5drqxl




Iran War Resolution May Be Passed Next Week:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0...ic.php?t=91563



Scott McClellan Questioned about Neocon Push for Iraq War

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LktFf...x=0&playnext=1



Here is a tiny URL for the above:

http://tinyurl.com/6qpcnx



http://neoconzionistthreat.blogspot....ut-neocon.html



Here is the tiny URL for the above one:

http://tinyurl.com/6gzo4o






Pat Buchanan's 'Whose War?' article is a must read as well via the
following URL:

Whose War (Israel's war!)?:

http://www.amconmag.com/03_24_03/cover.html



---------------------------

http://NOMOREWARFORISRAEL.BLOGSPOT.COM



http://NEOCONZIONISTTHREAT.BLOGSPOT.COM

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Old June 29th 08, 04:26 PM posted to alt.military.retired,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,alt.war.vietnam,alt.war
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"William Kristol of The Weekly Standard said Sunday a U.S. attack on
Iran after the election is more likely should Barack Obama win.
Presumably, Bush would trust John McCain to keep Iran nuclear free. "

Economist Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz predicted a depression,
President of Euro Pacific Capital Peter Schiff predicted a crash of
U.S. dollar value and advised his clients to get out of U.S. stock a
month ago and Goldman Sachs predicted $200/barrel oil even without
the attack of Iran. After the attack oil may go up as much as $500/
barrel. If iran was attacked it would destroy all the oil fields in
Saudis, Kuwait, and block oil the shipping lane at the straight of
Hormuz. the US then invades Iran. Then Iran will destroy all of its
oil fields.

Buchanan and Scott Ritter are not the only people who predicted the
coming attack of Iran, the Russian intelligence also predicted the an
attack and possibly invasion of Iran by U.S. forces from Iraq. They
may have a contingency plan to send troops across the Russian border
into Iran to prevent the U.S. from taking all the oil fields of Iran
like the U.S. had done to Iraq. Iran many have a secret agreement with
the Russians to let Russian troops quickly move into Iran in case of
war.
In 1965, after the US marines landed in South VIetnam, the Chinese
sent 130,000 troops to N Vietnam to prevent an US invasion across the
17th parallel. The same plan may exist in Moscow. The Russians will
not be stupid to let the US to monopolize all oil fields in the Middle
East by the invasion of Iran.
If oil price passed $300/barrel, the Dow Jones index may drop another
5,000 points from the predicted 8,000. And the world economy will
collapse all together. Peter Schiff also predicted riots in the US
after the economy collapsed.
If Americans do not want control its own fate now, it will pay the
consequence of having the Chinese, Korean, Japanese, and Russians
owning all U.S. assets after the collapse.

On Jun 27, 7:14 pm, NOMOREWARFORISRAEL
wrote:
Who's Planning Our Next War?

June 26, 2008

VDARE.COM -http://www.vdare.com/buchanan/080626_planning.htm

By Patrick J. Buchanan

Of the Axis-of-Evil nations named in his State of the Union in 2002,
President Bush has often said, "The United States will not permit the
world's most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world's most
destructive weapons."

He failed with North Korea. Will he accept failure in Iran, though
there is no hard evidence Iran has an active nuclear weapons program?

William Kristol of The Weekly Standard said Sunday a U.S. attack on
Iran after the election is more likely should Barack Obama win.
Presumably, Bush would trust John McCain to keep Iran nuclear free.

Yet, to start a third war in the Middle East against a nation three
times as large as Iraq, and leave it to a new president to fight,
would be a daylight hijacking of the congressional war power and a
criminally irresponsible act. For Congress alone has the power to
authorize war.

Yet Israel is even today pushing Bush into a pre-emptive war with a
naked threat to attack Iran itself should Bush refuse the cup.

In April, Israel held a five-day civil defense drill. In June, Israel
sent 100 F-15s and F-16s, with refueling tankers and helicopters to
pick up downed pilots, toward Greece in a simulated attack, a dress
rehearsal for war. The planes flew 1,400 kilometers, the distance to
Iran's uranium enrichment facility at Natanz.

Ehud Olmert came home from a June meeting with Bush to tell Israelis:

"We reached agreement on the need to take care of the Iranian
threat. ... I left with a lot less question marks regarding the means,
the timetable restrictions and American resoluteness. ...

"George Bush understands the severity of the Iranian threat and the
need to vanquish it, and intends to act on the matter before the end
of his term. ... The Iranian problem requires urgent attention, and I
see no reason to delay this just because there will be a new president
in the White House seven and a half months from now."

If Bush is discussing war on Iran with Ehud Olmert, why is he not
discussing it with Congress or the nation?

On June 6, Deputy Prime Minister Shaul Mofaz threatened, "If Iran
continues its nuclear weapons program, we will attack it." The price
of oil shot up 9 percent.

Is Israel bluffing—or planning to attack Iran if America balks?

Previous air strikes on the PLO command in Tunis, on the Osirak
reactor in Iraq and on the presumed nuclear reactor site in Syria last
September give Israel a high degree of credibility.

Still, attacking Iran would be no piece of cake.

Israel lacks the stealth and cruise-missile capacity to degrade Iran's
air defenses systematically and no longer has the element of surprise.
Israeli planes and pilots would likely be lost.

Israel also lacks the ability to stay over the target or conduct
follow-up strikes. The U.S. Air Force bombed Iraq for five weeks with
hundreds of daily runs in 1991 before Gen. Schwarzkopf moved.

Moreover, if Iran has achieved the capacity to enrich uranium, she has
surely moved centrifuges to parts of the country that Israel cannot
reach—and can probably replicate anything lost.

Israel would also have to over-fly Turkey, or Syria and U.S.-occupied
Iraq, or Saudi Arabia to reach Natanz. Turks, Syrians and Saudis would
deny Israel permission and might resist. For the U.S. military to let
Israel over-fly Iraq would make us an accomplice. How would that sit
with the Europeans who are supporting our sanctions on Iran and want
the nuclear issue settled diplomatically?

And who can predict with certitude how Iran would respond?

Would Iran attack Israel with rockets, inviting retaliation with
Jericho and cruise missiles from Israeli submarines? Would she close
the Gulf with suicide-boat attacks on tankers and U.S. warships?

With oil at $135 a barrel, Israeli air strikes on Iran would seem to
ensure a 2,000-point drop in the Dow and a world recession.

What would Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria do? All three are now in
indirect negotiations with Israel. U.S. forces in Afghanistan and Iraq
could be made by Iran to pay a high price in blood that could force
the United States to initiate its own air war in retaliation, and to
finish a war Israel had begun. But a U.S. war on Iran is not a
decision Bush can outsource to Ehud Olmert.

Tuesday, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Adm. Michael Mullins left for
Israel. CBS News cited U.S. officials as conceding the trip comes
"just as the Israelis are mounting a full court press to get the Bush
administration to strike Iran's nuclear complex."

Vice President Cheney is said to favor U.S. strikes. Secretary of
Defense Robert Gates and Mullins are said to be opposed.

Moving through Congress, powered by the Israeli lobby, is House
Resolution 362, which demands that President Bush impose a U.S.
blockade of Iran, an act of war.

Is it not time the American people were consulted on the next war that
is being planned for us?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Ron Paul Speaks Out Against War With Iran:

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog/?p=87

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7354M1QmGYQ&fmt=18

Ron Paul Floor Speech on Iran & Foreign Policy

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog/?p=83

House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran
America’s powerful pro-Israel lobby pressures the US Congress

by Andrew W Cheetham

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9377

AIPAC is pushing us to war with Iran for Israel
See Video:

http://neoconzionistthreat.blogspot....c-is-pushing-u...

Here is a tiny URL for the above one:

http://tinyurl.com/22br9u

Israeli Threat Spikes Our Oil Prices, We Pay More For This (click on
the pic at the following URL to access the youtube video):

http://neoconzionistthreat.blogspot....-threat-spikes...

Here is a tiny URL of the above one:

http://tinyurl.com/5drqxl

Iran War Resolution May Be Passed Next Week:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0...ic.php?t=91563

Scott McClellan Questioned about Neocon Push for Iraq War

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LktFf...List&p=9B04282...

Here is a tiny URL for the above:

http://tinyurl.com/6qpcnx

http://neoconzionistthreat.blogspot....cclellan-quest...

Here is the tiny URL for the above one:

http://tinyurl.com/6gzo4o

Pat Buchanan's 'Whose War?' article is a must read as well via the
following URL:

Whose War (Israel's war!)?:

http://www.amconmag.com/03_24_03/cover.html

---------------------------

http://NOMOREWARFORISRAEL.BLOGSPOT.COM

http://NEOCONZIONISTTHREAT.BLOGSPOT.COM


 




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