Thunderbird Crash Footage

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"B.H. Lazard" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Why do you call it a "horrible finish". Nobody got hurt and we got
to
see
a
cool ejection sequence!!

You forgot the little smiley thingy. :-)

But assuming you're not joking, for a moment, there a zillion reasons
to
call it a horrible finish. Hell, just from a taxpayer's standpoint
I'm
****ed that we're out $20 million because the guy couldn't set his
altimeter
correctly.

I am not perturbed by a pilot making an honest mistake and wasting a $20
million airplane. That's a cost of 8 cents per person. There are a bunch
of
thieves running the country, deliberately giving your money to corporate
interests. Now THAT is something to be worried about.

Are you saying that the government should not buy things from
corporations?
They bought that jet from a corporation. They bought its fuel from a
corporation. They bought its replacement from a corporation. They buy
spare
parts for it from corporations. They also bought the pilot's flight suit,
helmet, oxygen hose, ejection seat, and even socks from corporations. It
is
hard to imagine who the government would buy things like that from if not
corporations.

Or do you just have it in for certain corporate interests?

Or does he fail to realize that government PRODUCES nothing.

Everything you see, touch, use, eat, wear or live in was probably produced
by a corporation and could be produced in no other way.

I'm always amused when I hear someone spew back the Democratic Party's line
against "corporate interests."

Mary and I are a corporation -- and we represent small business in every
way.

I guess that just makes us mean, old "corporate interests"...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" writes:

The pilot survived, right?

His health is fine.

His career, I sadly suspect, is not.

A comment from one of the ASF people at a CFIRC I was at over the
past weekend was that he is now flying a desk at the Pentagon.

The same man stated that the problem was that the pilot had become
too comfortable with practicing the maneuver at his home base, which
was about 800 (+/-; I don't recall the exact number) feet lower
than the airfield at which the accident occurred. At the accident
location he set up the split-S so that the top was at the proper
altitude MSL -- at his home base, meaning that the entire maneuver
was executed 800 feet lower than it should have been.

I have *no* military jet experience, but especially for airshows I'm
somewhat surprised that there isn't an altimeter set to QFE to serve
as a sanity check against exactly this sort of problem.

Joe Morris

"Joe Morris" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" writes:

The pilot survived, right?

His health is fine.

His career, I sadly suspect, is not.

A comment from one of the ASF people at a CFIRC I was at over the
past weekend was that he is now flying a desk at the Pentagon.

The same man stated that the problem was that the pilot had become
too comfortable with practicing the maneuver at his home base, which
was about 800 (+/-; I don't recall the exact number) feet lower
than the airfield at which the accident occurred. At the accident
location he set up the split-S so that the top was at the proper
altitude MSL -- at his home base, meaning that the entire maneuver
was executed 800 feet lower than it should have been.

I have *no* military jet experience, but especially for airshows I'm
somewhat surprised that there isn't an altimeter set to QFE to serve
as a sanity check against exactly this sort of problem.

Joe Morris

Newbie ignorance:

What does QFE stand for?

Jay Beckman
Chandler, AZ
Student Pilot
3.2 Hrs ... Nowhere to go but up?

Everything you see, touch, use, eat, wear or live in was probably
produced
by a corporation and could be produced in no other way.


Actually major stuff came from sole proprietorship or partnership business.
You see, corporations sell the finishing products. Parts within products is
bought from sole proprietorship or partnerships business. So, Technically,
everything you see, touch, use, eat, wear or live in most likely produced by
private business. Only corporations have the power to manipulate financial
system.

"Toks Desalu" wrote in message
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Everything you see, touch, use, eat, wear or live in was probably
produced
by a corporation and could be produced in no other way.


Actually major stuff came from sole proprietorship or partnership
business.
You see, corporations sell the finishing products. Parts within products
is
bought from sole proprietorship or partnerships business. So, Technically,
everything you see, touch, use, eat, wear or live in most likely produced
by
private business. Only corporations have the power to manipulate financial
system.



You have no idea what you are talking about. The Corporation I work for
serves about 100 clients. In many different industries. Number of employees
at each range from 3 to around 100.

Of our 100 clients only 4 are Sole Props, 10 are LLC (what we here in
Arkansas call partnerships and also a type of corporations) and the rest are
Corporations.

You are under the mistaken assumption that only really big businesses are
corporations. This just proves your ignorance on the topic of the economy.

GigG

You are under the mistaken assumption that only really big businesses are
corporations. This just proves your ignorance on the topic of the economy.

"Corporations" and "corporate interests" are code words for "rich guys" and
"Republicans".

It has nothing to do with reality.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Beckman" wrote in message news:UU31c.12459$id3.7043@fed1read01...
What does QFE stand for?

QFE is the altimeter setting that will cause the instrument to read zero at the field
elevation. It's used a lot in relatively low lying places (like the UK). If you've
got some real elevations you run out little numbers in the altimeter to dry to get
the proper QFE in there.

Jay

QFE

QFE is a Q code used by pilots and air traffic control to refer to the
current air pressure which will calibrate the pilots altimeter to give
actual height above the ground at a particular airfield.

Sometimes it's easier to go to Google and type the word or phrase in
to get an answer vs asking the group and waiting around for an answer
G

Big John


On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:56:21 -0700, "Jay Beckman"
wrote:

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Newbie ignorance:

What does QFE stand for?

Jay Beckman
Chandler, AZ
Student Pilot
3.2 Hrs ... Nowhere to go but up?

Jay. Remember what goes up must come down (hopefully under control)
G

Jay Honeck wrote:
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still hard to believe that they made such a simple mistake. (The final
judgment was that the pilot had set his altimeter incorrectly, resulting in
insufficient altitude for the maneuver.)

He didn't exactly (allegedly) "set" his altimeter incorrectly.
According to Avweb:

"The pilot incorrectly climbed to 1,670 feet AGL instead of 2,500 feet
before initiating the pull-down to the Split-S maneuver, according to
the Air Force news release. The pilot, Chris Stricklin, 31, apparently
flew by mistake to the MSL altitude used when practicing the maneuver
at his home base, Nellis AFB in Nevada, which is 1,000 feet lower than
the Idaho field elevation."

Regards,

Rob