ATC Handling of Low-Fuel American Flight

Mxsmanic wrote:
Sam Spade writes:


Why do you think that?


That's what most people here seem to believe.

Not me. I did most of my training and check rides in *real* flight
simulators.

Sam Spade wrote:
USAF operations are far more volatile than most civil operations.

I like the Navy's approach. If the first emergency is blocking the runway,
just shove it over the side and let the next guy land.

Mxsmanic wrote:
"Jim Macklin" writes:


The FAA could run this in
their simulator at OKC academy or probably at DFW ...


I thought simulators didn't count.

How much time did you spend in their simulator trying this out?

As usual, it went right over your pointy little head. It's just YOUR
simulator that doesn't count, primarily due to the clueless yahoo
attempting to utilize it.

If the aircrew "needed to get on the ground right away", why did they
overfly other suitable airports? That action alone could have suggested to
ATC that this wasn't that big an issue. Love Field has equipment to deal
with air carrier class aircraft and they flew right past it even after being
asked about landing there.

I'm not advocating the actions of ATC here, but I am suggesting that the
crew acted in a manner contrary to what they were saying.

--
Jim Carter
Rogers, Arkansas
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Sam Spade wrote:
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I listened to the tape all the way through.

FIRE THE CONTROLLER.

I'd have been yelling at him, at that point.

Sam Spade writes:

Not me. I did most of my training and check rides in *real* flight
simulators.

Same thing. Another artificial distinction being made.

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Rip writes:

As usual, it went right over your pointy little head. It's just YOUR
simulator that doesn't count, primarily due to the clueless yahoo
attempting to utilize it.

Quite a revealing statement.

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The FAA has a simulator for ATC training at OKC, they can
simulate traffic and weather to reproduce any condition at
any airport.


"Rip" wrote in message
t...
| Mxsmanic wrote:
| "Jim Macklin"
writes:
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|
| The FAA could run this in
| their simulator at OKC academy or probably at DFW ...
|
|
| I thought simulators didn't count.
|
| How much time did you spend in their simulator trying
this out?
|
| As usual, it went right over your pointy little head. It's
just YOUR
| simulator that doesn't count, primarily due to the
clueless yahoo
| attempting to utilize it.

Jim Carter wrote:
If the aircrew "needed to get on the ground right away", why did they
overfly other suitable airports? That action alone could have suggested to
ATC that this wasn't that big an issue. Love Field has equipment to deal
with air carrier class aircraft and they flew right past it even after being
asked about landing there.

I'm not advocating the actions of ATC here, but I am suggesting that the
crew acted in a manner contrary to what they were saying.


That is difficult to say. Perhaps he was sufficently higher passing
Love that it would have taken more time to land there.

An example I am familar with is passing Ontario Airport on the way into
Los Angeles. You are usually at 14,000 feet passing Ontario and on a
fuel efficent profile to land at LAX. That is a judgment call that can
go either way.

I wouldn't second guess his decision to stick with a company airport
that may have been on the best fuel-efficient descent profile.

It is part of the review that I am sure was conducted about his
decisions. Nonetheless, at the time, that decision was not for anyone
in ATC to question. Only after the fact was it reasonable to determine
what, in fact, were the nearest suitable airports.

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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If the aircrew "needed to get on the ground right away", why did they
overfly other suitable airports?


What other suitable airports did they overfly?



That action alone could have suggested to ATC that this wasn't that big an
issue. Love Field has equipment to deal with air carrier class aircraft
and they flew right past it even after being asked about landing there.


Which way were they landing at DAL?