A340 Incident

"Terry M" wrote in
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KEWL shots...!!!! I got to see the SR-71 take off from Kadena Okinawa
for its first mission over SE Asia back in the 60s.



Got those along with a couple of others from a SR groundcrewman
years ago..

"J.F." wrote in news:Txx9j.70874$RX.8979
@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net:

I sure remember this run up area. Thanks for the pics!

J.F.
"John Szalay" wrote in message
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Just for good measure here is NASA photo of the tiedowns and
engine run test.

John Szalay wrote in n

Just for good measure here is NASA photo of the tiedowns and
engine run test.


Well crap. sent the wrong photo..2nd try..

John Szalay wrote:


WOW look at all the fuel under that bird Yikes..

I do not remember exactly, I believe it was 1,300 gallons in 2 minutes.

"Hugh Tomlinson" wrote in message
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How much water would a B-52 go through on take off?
Hugh

"Eric" wrote in message
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We always had a symmetrical run up procedure (especially on ice)...on 4
engine types if you needed to go to max power on #2 engine, you also went
to max power on #3 engine. Of course during engine trims you could go
full power on all 4 or 8 for short periods of time.



For awhile maintenance was deemed incompetent and we had to get a pilot
to do max power runs. That was always a fiasco. The pilot didn't want
to be there and very seldom cooperated with maintenance, they refused to
understand the need to motor a green engine or to check for leaks BEFORE
starting the engines. They would also get irritated whenever they had to
do multiple starts and shutdowns because of problems encountered during
the maintenance runs.



On rare occasions I personally ran up C-135 and B-52's with J-57's with
water injection on all engines, it was an extremely loud rough ride. I
have also run up C-135 and B-52's with TF-33's, 707, 727, 737, and 747's,
all were great, but none gave that bone jarring, teeth rattling ride as a
BUFF in water.



If memory serves me right, the J-57 produced; 11,000 lbs of thrust dry
and 13,000 lbs wet at MRT. While the TF-33 (depending on series)
produced 17,000 lbs of thrust at MRT.




"jc" wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:48:24 -0600, "Eric" wrote:

If you want teeth rattling and the feeling that your heart is going to
vibrate though your chest, you should try a B-52G with all 8 burning
water
(water injection for the uninitiated).

I never got to work on the SR-71, but their power runs were always
awesome.
Your teeth rattled from a 1/2 mile away.

A quick check says the -52 engines are rated at almost 57k lbs of thrust
but you
can only get "hands on" with two at a time. Only? Yah, right!

The Rolls engines on the 747's and L1011's that I worked on were in the
40,000
lb. area, while the later planes, such as the 767, kicked it up quite a
bit.
Get into the 777 and you're up there with two of the 52's engines at
full power.

But any of 'em will vibrate your filllings pretty good. The "old
timers" say
the piston engines rattled you around more than the jets... personally,
I'll
admit going back as far as 707's but I've run a couple of fairly large
radials.
They shook more but to me, they didn't seem to make the air vibrate like
the big
jets do. For as smooth as they are, that much 'stuff' moving around at
those
kinds of RPM, well, even trimming a 'little' engine on a DC-9 or MD-80
can
rattle you around pretty good. For most guys, the first time they
experience it
is not something they'll ever forget!
Cheers,
jc

Yeah, I bet they had to tie that sumbitch down real good!


Thanks!


Regards, PLMerite




"John Szalay" wrote in message
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John Szalay wrote in n

Just for good measure here is NASA photo of the tiedowns and
engine run test.


Well crap. sent the wrong photo..2nd try..

Hugh Tomlinson wrote:

How much water would a B-52 go through on take off?
Hugh

i think that depends on how much it was raining......

redc1c4,
tossing out a white smoke & heading for cover. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:55:37 -0600, John Szalay
wrote:

Man, that's great you saved those, it's some real history!
Cheers,
jc

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:37:09 GMT, Maple1 wrote:

John Szalay wrote:


WOW look at all the fuel under that bird Yikes..

Yeow! I knew they leaked like seives but that's really scary! I know the fuel
was some weird stuff but does anyone know how volatile the stuff really was?
I've tried to explain to people, after they've seen movies like Die Hard xxxxx
(or whatever) that jet planes don't have garden faucets on the engines and that
Jet A can't be lit up with a cigarette, match or lighter but they saw on the
movies and it must be true.... sigh.
Cheers,
jc

On 18 Dec 2007 08:59:01 -0600, jc
wrote:


Yeow! I knew they leaked like seives but that's really scary! I know the fuel
was some weird stuff but does anyone know how volatile the stuff really was?

Not much. Consider that it was actually used as coolant in some areas
of the plane...