What a Long Flight

On Feb 21, 10:17*am, Martin Hotze wrote:
William Hung schrieb:

On Feb 20, 12:42 pm, wrote:
Just got up from a few hour nap was a super long flight. next stop
Malta, Luxor, then Qatar

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N66032

Would be great if we could get a "bird's eye view" of your approaches
and take offs at these remote places.

what's remote about Malta or Luxor?

#m
--
"I have to say the biggest threat comes from overseas, and one
of the places we are increasingly worried about is Europe."
Michael Chertoff (Homeland Security Secretary)
*http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7190788.stm

I gues to a noob like me anything more than 50NM away is remote. g

Wil

On Feb 22, 6:41*am, wrote:
On Feb 21, 3:30*pm, Dan wrote:





On Feb 21, 8:35*am, wrote:

On Feb 20, 11:05*pm, Dan wrote:

On Feb 20, 2:15*pm, William Hung wrote:

On Feb 20, 12:42*pm, wrote:

Just got up from a few hour nap was a super long flight. next stop
Malta, Luxor, then Qatar

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N66032

Would be great if we could get a "bird's eye view" of your approaches
and take offs at these remote places.

Wil

I assume it's not legal to take passengers on these flights. *However,
could a second pilot go along even if the aircraft did not technically
_require_ two pilots? *I have a feeling many of us would love to have
that "once-in-a lifetime" opportunity to ride along on one of these,
and perhaps be somewhat helpful to the PIC along the way...

*--Dan

A second pilot (Must Be Instrument Rated) can come along and help fly
as required crew. And a large bank account to cover their expenses.- Hide quoted text -

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Expenses such as - food and hotel? * Would one need to purchase a
survival suit (or any other equipment)?

*--Dan- Hide quoted text -

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Yea, survival suit and epirb... food, lodging, airfare, ground
transportation, customs fee´s, etc. *it adds up rather quickly.- Hide quoted text -

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So, you're talking about 5-6AMUs? That is rather steep, but well
worth it for the experience and the hours IMO. I think one will spend
almost that must just hopping the local airports.

What's the reasoning for the second pilot to have instrument rating?
Isn't having a second pilot a bonus with or without an IR?


Wil

William Hung wrote in
:

On Feb 22, 6:41*am, wrote:
On Feb 21, 3:30*pm, Dan wrote:





On Feb 21, 8:35*am, wrote:

On Feb 20, 11:05*pm, Dan wrote:

On Feb 20, 2:15*pm, William Hung wrote:

On Feb 20, 12:42*pm, wrote:

Just got up from a few hour nap was a super long flight.
next st
op
Malta, Luxor, then Qatar

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N66032

Would be great if we could get a "bird's eye view" of your
approac
hes
and take offs at these remote places.

Wil

I assume it's not legal to take passengers on these flights.
*Howe
ver,
could a second pilot go along even if the aircraft did not
technical
ly
_require_ two pilots? *I have a feeling many of us would love
to h
ave
that "once-in-a lifetime" opportunity to ride along on one of
these,

and perhaps be somewhat helpful to the PIC along the way...

*--Dan

A second pilot (Must Be Instrument Rated) can come along and help
fly as required crew. And a large bank account to cover their
expenses.- H
ide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Expenses such as - food and hotel? * Would one need to purchase a
survival suit (or any other equipment)?

*--Dan- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yea, survival suit and epirb... food, lodging, airfare, ground
transportation, customs fee´s, etc. *it adds up rather quickly.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, you're talking about 5-6AMUs? That is rather steep, but well
worth it for the experience and the hours IMO. I think one will spend
almost that must just hopping the local airports.

What's the reasoning for the second pilot to have instrument rating?
Isn't having a second pilot a bonus with or without an IR?

How's th epilot going to sleep if he knows the second guy is going to
spear in while he's napping?

Bertie

William Hung wrote in news:8af2ff1d-eb1d-49fc-ac7b-
:

On Feb 21, 10:17*am, Martin Hotze wrote:
William Hung schrieb:

On Feb 20, 12:42 pm, wrote:
Just got up from a few hour nap was a super long flight. next stop
Malta, Luxor, then Qatar

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N66032

Would be great if we could get a "bird's eye view" of your approaches
and take offs at these remote places.

what's remote about Malta or Luxor?

#m
--
"I have to say the biggest threat comes from overseas, and one
of the places we are increasingly worried about is Europe."
Michael Chertoff (Homeland Security Secretary)
*http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7190788.stm

I gues to a noob like me anything more than 50NM away is remote. g

All you have to do to go furhter is not turn around!


Bertie

On Feb 22, 10:17*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
William Hung wrote :





On Feb 22, 6:41*am, wrote:
On Feb 21, 3:30*pm, Dan wrote:

On Feb 21, 8:35*am, wrote:

On Feb 20, 11:05*pm, Dan wrote:

On Feb 20, 2:15*pm, William Hung wrote:

On Feb 20, 12:42*pm, wrote:

Just got up from a few hour nap was a super long flight.
next st
op
Malta, Luxor, then Qatar

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N66032

Would be great if we could get a "bird's eye view" of your
approac
hes
and take offs at these remote places.

Wil

I assume it's not legal to take passengers on these flights.
*Howe
ver,
could a second pilot go along even if the aircraft did not
technical
ly
_require_ two pilots? *I have a feeling many of us would love
to h
ave
that "once-in-a lifetime" opportunity to ride along on one of
these,

and perhaps be somewhat helpful to the PIC along the way...

*--Dan

A second pilot (Must Be Instrument Rated) can come along and help
fly as required crew. And a large bank account to cover their
expenses.- H
ide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Expenses such as - food and hotel? * Would one need to purchase a
survival suit (or any other equipment)?

*--Dan- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yea, survival suit and epirb... food, lodging, airfare, ground
transportation, customs fee´s, etc. *it adds up rather quickly.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, you're talking about 5-6AMUs? *That is rather steep, but well
worth it for the experience and the hours IMO. *I think one will spend
almost that must just hopping the local airports.

What's the reasoning for the second pilot to have instrument rating?
Isn't having a second pilot a bonus with or without an IR?

How's th epilot going to sleep if he knows the second guy is going to
spear in while he's napping?

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm thinking that the weather would be fairly predictable and the
rated pilot can plan his rests along the way.

Wil

On Feb 22, 10:18*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
William Hung wrote in news:8af2ff1d-eb1d-49fc-ac7b-
:





On Feb 21, 10:17*am, Martin Hotze wrote:
William Hung schrieb:

On Feb 20, 12:42 pm, wrote:
Just got up from a few hour nap was a super long flight. next stop
Malta, Luxor, then Qatar

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N66032

Would be great if we could get a "bird's eye view" of your approaches
and take offs at these remote places.

what's remote about Malta or Luxor?

#m
--
"I have to say the biggest threat comes from overseas, and one
of the places we are increasingly worried about is Europe."
Michael Chertoff (Homeland Security Secretary)
*http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7190788.stm

I gues to a noob like me anything more than 50NM away is remote. g

All you have to do to go furhter is not turn around!

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They ain't trusting me to do that yet. g

Wil

William Hung wrote in
:

On Feb 22, 10:17*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
William Hung wrote
innews:26879d0e-dafe-4c62-b917-67ab
:





On Feb 22, 6:41*am, wrote:
On Feb 21, 3:30*pm, Dan wrote:

On Feb 21, 8:35*am, wrote:

On Feb 20, 11:05*pm, Dan wrote:

On Feb 20, 2:15*pm, William Hung wrote:

On Feb 20, 12:42*pm, wrote:

Just got up from a few hour nap was a super long flight.
next st
op
Malta, Luxor, then Qatar

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N66032

Would be great if we could get a "bird's eye view" of your
approac
hes
and take offs at these remote places.

Wil

I assume it's not legal to take passengers on these flights.
*Howe
ver,
could a second pilot go along even if the aircraft did not
technical
ly
_require_ two pilots? *I have a feeling many of us would
love to h
ave
that "once-in-a lifetime" opportunity to ride along on one
of these,

and perhaps be somewhat helpful to the PIC along the way...


*--Dan

A second pilot (Must Be Instrument Rated) can come along and
help fly as required crew. And a large bank account to cover
their expenses.- H
ide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Expenses such as - food and hotel? * Would one need to purchase
a survival suit (or any other equipment)?

*--Dan- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yea, survival suit and epirb... food, lodging, airfare, ground
transportation, customs fee´s, etc. *it adds up rather quickly.-
Hi
de
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, you're talking about 5-6AMUs? *That is rather steep, but well
worth it for the experience and the hours IMO. *I think one will
spend

almost that must just hopping the local airports.

What's the reasoning for the second pilot to have instrument
rating? Isn't having a second pilot a bonus with or without an IR?

How's th epilot going to sleep if he knows the second guy is going to
spear in while he's napping?

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm thinking that the weather would be fairly predictable and the
rated pilot can plan his rests along the way.


Well, I used to do that and some sectors can be pretty long. 12 hours
isn't uncommon and I've doen 17.5. 15 minutes of napping can make a big
difference!


Bertie

William Hung wrote in
:

On Feb 22, 10:18*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
William Hung wrote in
news:8af2ff1d-eb1d-49fc-ac7b-
:





On Feb 21, 10:17*am, Martin Hotze wrote:
William Hung schrieb:

On Feb 20, 12:42 pm, wrote:
Just got up from a few hour nap was a super long flight. next
stop Malta, Luxor, then Qatar

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N66032

Would be great if we could get a "bird's eye view" of your
approaches

and take offs at these remote places.

what's remote about Malta or Luxor?

#m
--
"I have to say the biggest threat comes from overseas, and one
of the places we are increasingly worried about is Europe."
Michael Chertoff (Homeland Security Secretary)
*http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7190788.stm

I gues to a noob like me anything more than 50NM away is remote.
g

All you have to do to go furhter is not turn around!

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They ain't trusting me to do that yet. g


heh heh. OK. You will!

Bertie

On Feb 23, 4:35 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Well, I used to do that and some sectors can be pretty long. 12 hours
isn't uncommon and I've doen 17.5. 15 minutes of napping can make a big
difference!

Try sitting amid the self loading cargo on either
Sydney - Los Angeles
Auckland - Los Angeles
with only one bottle or red wine :-(

george wrote in news:fc0ced53-1acc-4e2f-bc4d-4db74b4395c8
@c33g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:

On Feb 23, 4:35 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Well, I used to do that and some sectors can be pretty long. 12 hours
isn't uncommon and I've doen 17.5. 15 minutes of napping can make a big
difference!

Try sitting amid the self loading cargo on either
Sydney - Los Angeles
Auckland - Los Angeles
with only one bottle or red wine :-(



Ah you poor thing..


Bertie