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Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy
In article , "Paul J. Adam"
wrote: In message , Harry Andreas writes In article , "Paul J. Adam" wrote: In an underkeel detonation (influence-fuzed mine or torpedo) armouring the hull stiffens it. So, instead of fairly vigorous movements, flexing, and whipping - like the USS PRINCETON in 1991 - you get more transmitted shock, which tends to do more damage to systems mounted to the hull. PRINCETON set off two mines, was significantly damaged, but was able to get key systems back up, resume her duties as AAWC and await relief and a tug back to Bahrain: two months after that she returned to the US under her own power (though she did need a fair bit of repair) HMS Belfast ran over a mine in late 1939, was similarly sized to PRINCETON, suffered nineteen casualties, mostly broken legs and ankles from the shock, and had such serious shock effects that her torpedo tubes were thrown off their mounts. (She also had major problems from cast-iron pipes and machinery bases shattering, but that was an issue quickly designed out of ships). It was the end of 1942 before she returned to service. Thanks -- Harry Andreas Engineering raconteur |
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Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy
If the Navy manages to kill the JSF then the Marines will be forced into
Super Hornets which can then be sucked into carrier ops. Though I respect your opinions, Mr Cobb, I cannot agree with you in one point: When the venerable A-6 Intruder was retired, Carrier Air Wings were left with 36 Navy strike fighter squadrons (equipped either with F-14A/ B/D or with F/A-18A/C). Four squadrons were missing to form 10 full CVWs with 4 squadrons each, so four Marine squadrons were transferred to fill the gap. The original plan to buy 548, or even more, Super Hornets called for re-establishing 4 squadrons (as far as I know at least VA-75 Sunday Punchers were considered to transition to F/A-18), to make those Marine squadrons redundant in CVWs and free for land-based deployment again. So, that's quite opposite to what you said... Buying more F/A-18E/Fs at the moment seems the only reasonable idea. Boeing is wise enough to suggest that, but decision-makers might be not wise enough to accept... 2015: Somewhere in the Dasht-e Kavir one Marine asks another, "Where's my CAS?" and the response is "They're doing CAP sir." As far as I understand, recent years all strikefighter aircraft available - doesn't matter if F-14, or Navy F/A-18, or Marine F/A-18s flew missions like CAS or FAC(A) in Afghanistan and Iraq. Introducing F/A-18E/F makes the open way to combine tanker, CAP and ASuW missions in a single plane, thus increasing availability of aircraft for littoral warfare. So I cannot understand really what is the problem... The only answer coming to my mind is a difference between training to carrier-based and land-based deployments. Best regards, Jacek |
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Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy
Coming back to the small deck vs. large deck and F-35B issue:
Rust-eaten CV 67 does not seem to be the right choice. If CVN 65 was indeed switched to the joint USN/USMC "floating forward airfield" role, I think it would be just a kind of a single experiment - like with one of older assault ships (USS Inchon?) being converted into a large mine-hunting ship with helicopters on board - more than a serial solution. On the other hand, with fewer squadrons/aircraft embarked, now there is more place on Nimitz-class carriers for possible USMC or special ops helicopters (as it was already made in the mid-1990s aboard USS Theodore Roosevelt). And as for F-35B, I think it is a matter of comparison between costs and capabilities that will decide if the STOVL version is produced or not, either making it the first supersonic STOVL fighter in service, or dooming it to share Yak-141 fate. Best regards, Jacek superhornet at o2 dot pl On 25 Kwi, 14:20, Henry J Cobb wrote: My fear is that stripping the strike aircraft off of the gators while land based squadrons are depleted to fill the big decks will leave the Marines to repeat The Battle Off Samar with a different outcome. There is no alternative to the F-35B. -HJC |
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Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy
sure there is/.........
call ARMARC and get some real airplanes back in the Navy--F-14 "Henry J Cobb" wrote in message ... wrote: Introducing F/A-18E/F makes the open way to combine tanker, CAP and ASuW missions in a single plane, thus increasing availability of aircraft for littoral warfare. So I cannot understand really what is the problem... The only answer coming to my mind is a difference between training to carrier-based and land-based deployments. My fear is that stripping the strike aircraft off of the gators while land based squadrons are depleted to fill the big decks will leave the Marines to repeat The Battle Off Samar with a different outcome. There is no alternative to the F-35B. -HJC |
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Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy
In message , rstro
writes sure there is/......... call ARMARC and get some real airplanes back in the Navy--F-14 Useless gold-plated junk dependent on radar (which never works) and missiles (worse than useless). How many missile kills in the Korean War? QED. Get *real* aircraft. Re-equip the USN with F6F Hellcats. -- The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools. -Thucydides Paul J. Adam - mainbox{at}jrwlynch[dot]demon(dot)codotuk |
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Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy
Not for long, the F-14s at AMARC got the go to be shredded as to
prevent part sales to Iran. On Apr 27, 4:39 pm, "rstro" wrote: sure there is/......... call ARMARC and get some real airplanes back in the Navy--F-14 |
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Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy
wrote: Not for long, the F-14s at AMARC got the go to be shredded as to prevent part sales to Iran. On Apr 27, 4:39 pm, "rstro" wrote: sure there is/......... call ARMARC and get some real airplanes back in the Navy--F-14 NO QF-14 DRONES ?????????? BOB ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy
It would be too complex to have a QF-14.
On Apr 27, 10:47 pm, Bob Urz wrote: wrote: Not for long, the F-14s at AMARC got the go to be shredded as to prevent part sales to Iran. On Apr 27, 4:39 pm, "rstro" wrote: sure there is/......... call ARMARC and get some real airplanes back in the Navy--F-14 NO QF-14 DRONES ?????????? BOB ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==----http://www.newsfeeds.comThe #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy
actually that is incorrect-
a number( I have no idea how many) are marked as "War Reserves" and will be manintained in storage at AMARC " wrote in message oups.com... Not for long, the F-14s at AMARC got the go to be shredded as to prevent part sales to Iran. On Apr 27, 4:39 pm, "rstro" wrote: sure there is/......... call ARMARC and get some real airplanes back in the Navy--F-14 |
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