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Arrow Starter Problem
Writing for a friend with an Arrow that is having a recurring starter
problem. The battery has been charged and tested, everything else checks out, and there is the right amount of voltage at the starter. It works once or twice (in a row), then if left overnight, it won't restart (no response from starter whatsoever). The starter has been replaced three times with the same result -- starts right up on the first few tries, but next day, it won't restart. Anyone else experience this? Thanks in advance. |
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... [...] The starter has been replaced three times with the same result -- starts right up on the first few tries, but next day, it won't restart. Well, first of all, you'll get better responses in the r.a.owning newsgroup. Secondly, THREE new starters? Someone's got a thick skull. Thirdly, in spite of the the "testing" of the batteries, the problem sure sounds like a battery problem to me. With all that replacing of the starter, did it occur to anyone to put a brand new battery in the plane? Or to try starting with an auxiliary power supply? If the battery does check out, then it seems to me you've got some more testing to do: * First of all, after the supposedly bad starter has been removed, has it been tested? If the airplane is actually breaking starters, you'd probably want to know that before putting more starters in the airplane. * If the starter that was removed checks out okay after removal, and a new battery doesn't help, then it seems to me that there is probably some sort of electrical problem, and the messing around with the starter is enough to wiggle something so that it works, for a little while. What that could be, I don't know. What I do know is that whoever is working on this airplane right now probably ought to hand the job over to someone qualified. They obviously aren't. Pete |
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Peter Duniho wrote:
wrote in message ... [...] The starter has been replaced three times with the same result -- starts right up on the first few tries, but next day, it won't restart. Well, first of all, you'll get better responses in the r.a.owning newsgroup. Secondly, THREE new starters? Someone's got a thick skull. Thirdly, in spite of the the "testing" of the batteries, the problem sure sounds like a battery problem to me. With all that replacing of the starter, did it occur to anyone to put a brand new battery in the plane? Or to try starting with an auxiliary power supply? If the battery does check out, then it seems to me you've got some more testing to do: * First of all, after the supposedly bad starter has been removed, has it been tested? If the airplane is actually breaking starters, you'd probably want to know that before putting more starters in the airplane. * If the starter that was removed checks out okay after removal, and a new battery doesn't help, then it seems to me that there is probably some sort of electrical problem, and the messing around with the starter is enough to wiggle something so that it works, for a little while. What that could be, I don't know. What I do know is that whoever is working on this airplane right now probably ought to hand the job over to someone qualified. They obviously aren't. The cabling between the battery and the starter should be checked. There are different engines with different starters on Arrows. I assume that this is the garden-variety 4-cylinder Lycoming with a starter using a Bendix device. The Bendix needs a sturdy current surge to get the gear initially moving into mesh. Often the starter not meshing is the first symptom of a flat battery. The main power relay or cabling seems to be suspect here. The strarter on my Arrow (Continental 6 cylinder) is a different beast with an internal spiral drive gearbox. -- Tauno Voipio tauno voipio (at) iki fi |
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Agree with these posts. A likely culprit is the cabling, or specifically
corrosion in the cabling, from battery to engine compartment. If there's plenty of voltage on the first few starts, and then the starter won't turn, you've probably got a drain on the electrical system that's bringing the battery down. Check for shorts or continuity through anything that's not on the master switch -- panel clock? Gear motor? My Comanche was running the battery down and we finally traced it to a faulty microswitch in the landing gear -- the gear motor wasn't turning off at the end of the gear travel, so it was pulling current even with the rotor parked. Remember that motors are less efficient when hot -- so your starter motor will draw more current on a hot start even though the oil is thin. Onward. Seth N8100R "Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:20:12 -0700, unicate wrote: Writing for a friend with an Arrow that is having a recurring starter problem. The battery has been charged and tested, everything else checks out, and there is the right amount of voltage at the starter. It works once or twice (in a row), then if left overnight, it won't restart (no response from starter whatsoever). The starter has been replaced three times with the same result -- starts right up on the first few tries, but next day, it won't restart. Anyone else experience this? Thanks in advance. Was the voltage at the starter checked while the engine was cranking? Was the voltage at the starter checked when the starter was not responding? Were the starters examined after they failed to function (bench test) to see WHY they malfunctioned? Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA) |
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"Seth Masia" wrote:
If there's plenty of voltage on the first few starts, and then the starter won't turn, you've probably got a drain on the electrical system that's bringing the battery down. But everything else fed by the battery works just fine, even the next day when the starter doesn't respond at all. I don't know *all* the particulars, just thought someone may have had a similar experience. The initial starter was bench-tested fine, put back in, started a few times, then after a day, no response. Replaced with "gear starter" with same results (initial start-up successful but no response 24 hours later). Again, everything else tested and run by the battery during preflight works fine. Remember that motors are less efficient when hot -- so your starter motor will draw more current on a hot start even though the oil is thin. Both successful and failing start-ups were done first thing in the morning, after the airplane was parked all night. Thanks to all for responding. |
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("Skywise" wrote)
Everyone elses responses are reminding me of a problem I had with my motorcycle once that was somewhat similar. Turned out to be the ground cable from the battery. Corrosion in one end crimp allowed some juice to turn on the electrical but once I hit the starter everything went dark. Push starting would start the bike and it would run fine. If the course can be passed with a score of 65% or better on the final test - mail me my certificate. Q 7 Blah, blah, blah... A 7 Check the ground Q 8 Blah, blah, blah... A 8 Check the ground Q 9 Blah, blah, blah... A 9 Check the ground(s) [Trick question, with more than one ground points to check] Q 10 Blah, blah, blah... A 10 Polarity? WRONG - Check the ground! Montblack 'It's all I know, but I do it well.' |
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ground, scmround... Obviously Montblack, you don't know enough to be a
mechan'nic... A real mechan'nic KNOWS that you have to change the starter again... jeez, wise up, guy... denny |
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