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Old January 23rd 04, 11:03 PM
Zamboni
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"Steve Richter" wrote in message
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thinking a little bit about this ...

540 mph is the cruising speed of the F-15. Its top speed looks to be
well over 1000mph. But no one knew where the 2nd plane was going to
hit. It could have been NYC or any other city anywhere else in the
country. My guess would be that the F-15 pilots at Otis rarely fly
above cruising speed, so there would probably be some risk in doing
that.

-Steve


Besides shattering every piece of glass (and eardrums) between Otis an NYC?
The glass in the streets would have been knee-deep from an F-15 crossing
Manhattan at 1500 feet at 1000mph. (Still might not have kept them from
doing it anyway, given a confirmed target to go after.)

Fuel consumption would be the major concern, I would think.
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Old January 24th 04, 07:37 PM
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But NYC wasn't the only place being attacked.
If it was the FAA wouldn't have grounded *ALL*
civil air traffic throughout CONUS.


I think you need to do some research on this subject. Exactly how many ANG
Fighter Units do you think we have? One in every state? Two? One in every other
state?

So I guess the Air Force is obviously saying that
the whole plan in such situations is to have
two National Guard Jets from Mass. protect the entire
US in such situations.


First off, the USAF doesn't make those choices, NORAD does. Secondly, our air
defense posture had dropped significantly over the decade preceeding 9/11/01. I
can tell you're very unfamiliar with ANG Units and their locations or else you
would have complained about the lack of response of the NJANG Unit from
Stockton NJ (just north of Atlantic City - a mere 80 nm from the WTC). Where
were the "Jersey Devils"? They were not sitting NORAD Air Defense Alert, and if
I remember correctly, most were deployed to Saudi Arabia for Operation Southern
Watch.

Which is also why most of trust Abrams Tanks
more that we trust New York, Mass, Maine,
Texas, California, or George Bush in the General Election.


Thats funny, because the heart of your complaint is that there weren't more air
defense fighter units to respond to the hijackings. This was a direct result of
William Jefferson Clinton. Did you trust him?

If Andrews doesn't have jets on alert, then
no Airbase in the entire country has jets on alert.


Wrong. Andrews was not sitting NORAD air defense alert on 9/11/01, but did
manage to get 2 x F-16As airborne over DC just minutes after the Pentagon got
hit. Interestingly enough, these 2 jets had just returned from a training
sortie and had no weapons on board. According to articles I've read, their plan
was to divert any aircraft by flying close maneuvers or, in a last ditch, ram
them. But the bottom line, Andrews was not on NORAD Air Defense alert on
9/11/01. Why does that surprise you?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"
 




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