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But Bush skated out on the last two years of his six year commitment, but
then has the gall to attack Senator Kerry's service. That needs to be confronted. You keep saying that, but you have yet to present any hard evidence of it. Hard evidence. What there is no hard evidence of is of Bush's attendance at a drill after May, 1972, or a photo of him, or anyone who remembers him. The commanding officer to whom he was support to report in Alabama has said categorically that Bush -did-not- report. The unit Bush was assigned to in October 1973 is/was in Denver. Bush was at Harvard. Bush skipped out on the last two years of his commitment. Walt |
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Anyone wounded three times could opt out.
Of course if its discovered that any of those were self inflicted as it is alleged that Baby Killer Kerry did... Seriously now. Have you got even a shred of proof of that? No wonder this country is going in the toilet if people like you vote. Walt |
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Of course if its discovered that any of those were self
inflicted as it is alleged that Baby Killer Kerry did... In his defense, I haven't seen any reports that he *intentionally* wounded himeself, as is traditionally considered in the self-inflicted wound category. Apparently this was more an instance of carelessness than intent to injure himself. Apparently? Apparently what? There's been no hint that Kerry's service was anything less than exemplary. His fit rep: "In a combat environment often requiring independent, decisive action LTJG (Lieutenant Junior Grade) Kerry was unsurpassed. He constantly reviewed tactics and lessons learned in river operations and applied his experience at every opportunity. On one occasion while in tactical command of a three boat operation his units were taken under fire from ambush. LTJG Kerry rapidly assessed the situation and ordered his units to turn directly into the ambush. This decision resulted in routing the attackers with several enemy KIAs. LTJG Kerry emerges as the acknowledged leader in his peer group. His bearing and appearance are above reproach. He has of his own volition learned the Vietnamese language and is instrumental in the successful Vietnamese training programs. During this period of this report LTJG Kerry has been awarded the Silver Star medal, the Bronze Star medal, the Purple Heart medal (2nd and 3rd awards). 18 Dec 1969" http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp Walt |
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Platoon is good fiction I don't agree. I think of it as the least of the Vietnam war movies (well, there was always "A Yank in Vietnam"), and a wholly unconvincing portrait of combat. It's not even good fiction. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com Viva Bush! weblog www.vivabush.org |
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"Regnirps" wrote in message ... (ArtKramr) wrote: If I got wounded twice and got two Purple Hearts and a Silver Star I would do the same thing. Anyone with a brain in their head would do the same thing. Sorry, you can only get one Purple Heart. -- Charlie Springer Why would you assume you could get only one Purple Heart? Extract... This award, the modern form of the original Purple Heart established by General George Washington in 1782, is conferred on any person wounded in action while serving with the Armed Forces of the United States. It is also awarded posthumously to the next of kin of personnel killed or having died of wounds received in action after April 5, 1917. The Purple Heart is awarded for wounds or death as result of an act of any opposing Armed Force, as a result of an international terrorist attack or as a result of military operations while serving as part of a peacekeeping force. Prior to the adoption of the Legion of Merit and Bronze Star Medal, it was given by the Army for meritorious service. The decoration was authorized for the Army by a War Department order of February 22, 1932, and for Navy and Marine Corps personnel by a Navy Department order of January 21, 1943, superseded by an executive order of November 12, 1952. The heart-shaped medal, one of the best known and also one of the most beautiful of our decorations, was designed by Elizabeth Will and modeled by John R. Sinnock. The inner heart on the obverse is of purple plastic (originally enamel), and the sculptured outer heart of gold-colored metal. On the purple heart General Washington is shown in profile, facing left, in a relief also of gold-colored metal. Above this heart is Washington's coat of arms, and enamel shield of white with two horizontal bands of red, and above them three red stars with sprays of green leaves on either side of the shield. The reverse of the medal is entirely of gold-colored metal, including the shield and leaves. Within the sculptured outer heart and below the shield is the inscription, set in three lines, "For Military Merit," with a space below for the recipient's name. The ribbon is deep purple with narrow white edges. Second and subsequent awards of the Purple Heart are denoted by a gold star for Navy and Marine Corps personnel and by an oak-leaf cluster for Army and Air Force personnel. Authorized Device: Oak leaf Cluster. End... Note the last sentence. Tex Houston |
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"Cub Driver" wrote
Platoon is good fiction I don't agree. I think of it as the least of the Vietnam war movies (well, there was always "A Yank in Vietnam"), and a wholly unconvincing portrait of combat. It's not even good fiction. I've seen a lot of Westerns, and John Wayne war movies, and Platoon is near the top, mainly for the script, and for the acting. It probably has as much to do with Vietnam, as John Wayne's had to do about D-Day or the Pacific. |
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"Regnirps" wrote
(ArtKramr) wrote: If I got wounded twice and got two Purple Hearts and a Silver Star I would do the same thing. Anyone with a brain in their head would do the same thing. Sorry, you can only get one Purple Heart. You are incorrect. Any medal can be won multiple times. You might display them with oak leaves or stars, but those represent a medal. Actually, it is the paperwork that has the most value. The medal is just something for mamma. |
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"WalterM140" wrote
He voted for Clinton in '92 over Bush, a WW II aviator As president, Bush 41 stumbled into an unneccesary war in the Gulf that cost @ 300 US servicemen their lives. He needed to go. What I can't figure is how many veterans of combat who post here are oblivious to the fact that both Bush presidencies have cost us hundreds of dead service people to no good purpose whatsoever. The roots of this war can be traced easily back to 1990-91. And we now have 7,000 + casualties in Iraq and we are less safer here at home, we're bankrupting ourselves, the intellgence community is in a shambles, and we've distanced ourselves from our best allies. Bush is the worst president ever and he has to go. The war in Iraq has been going on since 1980. The United States has been on the ground in that region since Iraq invaded Iran. We tried to work it diplomatically, but the world had other interests. The United States and the United Kingdom invaded Iraq to end the 20 plus years of war. It is and was a necessary war. We are a fossil fuel economy, and the oil fields of Iraq, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia will be protected until this country finds an alternative fuel. Men and Women will die to keep the freedom and the economy we enjoy. As a veteran of two major wars, I can say that I support the wars we have in the Middle East, the far East, and in South America. These wars are important, and people die in wars. The number of dead are a fraction of those killed on the highways, and those killed from HIV. Bush is no worse than any other President. |
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Subject: Bush Flew Fighter Jets During Vietnam
From: (WalterM140) Date: 7/12/2004 4:14 AM There's been no hint that Kerry's service was anything less than exemplary. His fit rep: "In a combat environment often requiring independent, decisive action LTJG (Lieutenant Junior Grade) Kerry was unsurpassed. He constantly reviewed tactics and lessons learned in river operations and applied his xperience at every opportunity. On one occasion while in tactical command of a three boat operation his units were taken under fire from ambush. LTJG Kerry rapidly assessed the situation and ordered his units to turn directly into the ambush. This decision resulted in routing the attackers with several enemy KIAs. Kerry was and is a true decorated war hero. And it is driving the neocons nut especially when we look at the war records of president Cheney and vice president Bush.. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Subject: Bush Flew Fighter Jets During Vietnam
From: (Regnirps) Date: 7/11/2004 10:16 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: (ArtKramr) wrote: If I got wounded twice and got two Purple Hearts and a Silver Star I would do the same thing. Anyone with a brain in their head would do the same thing. Sorry, you can only get one Purple Heart. -- Charlie Springer Totally untrue Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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