FAA shares blame also

Perhaps even a pilot age 68 could do the sme thing.

Or 67...

Or 66...

Or...



wrote in message ...


Ted wrote:

OtisWinslow wrote in message ...
This guy was like 69 years old and it's sure questionable how
up to date he was. The account I read said when intercepted
by the Blackhawks he totally froze and the student pilot
had to take over and land the plane. His flying career needs
to end.

There's no excuse for not getting a briefing and getting
the NOTAMS. I don't leave the ground without getting
a briefing and I fly in a low traffic part of the country.


A little Garmin consumer GPS receiver ($140) with a proximity waypoint
set
to 15 miles around the Washington monument wouldn't have been a bad idea
either.

A guy age 69 who still flys (well, until recently) perhaps could afford a
Garmin 196 or 296, perhaps learn how to use it, have a current database,
and
have a really good shot of staying out of ugly airspace. ~

wrote:
Perhaps even a pilot age 68 could do the sme thing.

Or 67...

Or 66...

Or...



wrote in message ...


Ted wrote:


OtisWinslow wrote in message ...

This guy was like 69 years old and it's sure questionable how
up to date he was. The account I read said when intercepted
by the Blackhawks he totally froze and the student pilot
had to take over and land the plane. His flying career needs
to end.

There's no excuse for not getting a briefing and getting
the NOTAMS. I don't leave the ground without getting
a briefing and I fly in a low traffic part of the country.


A little Garmin consumer GPS receiver ($140) with a proximity waypoint

set

to 15 miles around the Washington monument wouldn't have been a bad idea
either.

A guy age 69 who still flys (well, until recently) perhaps could afford a
Garmin 196 or 296, perhaps learn how to use it, have a current database,

and

have a really good shot of staying out of ugly airspace. ~

Yes, this pilot's problem wasn't age, it was not being prepared for the
airspace in which he was flying. This could be the case with a pilot 16
or 86.

My primary instructor is 84 and still flies fairly regularly. I don't
think he instructs or otherwise exercises his commercial privileges, but
he kept one of his 150s when he retired as the operator of N38 and still
flies it often as well as riding his Harley. His flying skills are
still the envy of many much younger pilots, myself included.

Matt

The point I was trying to make is that age 69, he should more likely be able to
afford a Garmin 196 or 296 than the typical 18 year old pilot.

Matt Whiting wrote:

wrote:
Perhaps even a pilot age 68 could do the sme thing.

Or 67...

Or 66...

Or...



wrote in message ...


Ted wrote:


OtisWinslow wrote in message ...

This guy was like 69 years old and it's sure questionable how
up to date he was. The account I read said when intercepted
by the Blackhawks he totally froze and the student pilot
had to take over and land the plane. His flying career needs
to end.

There's no excuse for not getting a briefing and getting
the NOTAMS. I don't leave the ground without getting
a briefing and I fly in a low traffic part of the country.


A little Garmin consumer GPS receiver ($140) with a proximity waypoint

set

to 15 miles around the Washington monument wouldn't have been a bad idea
either.

A guy age 69 who still flys (well, until recently) perhaps could afford a
Garmin 196 or 296, perhaps learn how to use it, have a current database,

and

have a really good shot of staying out of ugly airspace. ~

Yes, this pilot's problem wasn't age, it was not being prepared for the
airspace in which he was flying. This could be the case with a pilot 16
or 86.

My primary instructor is 84 and still flies fairly regularly. I don't
think he instructs or otherwise exercises his commercial privileges, but
he kept one of his 150s when he retired as the operator of N38 and still
flies it often as well as riding his Harley. His flying skills are
still the envy of many much younger pilots, myself included.

Matt

Scott Moore wrote:

OtisWinslow wrote:
This guy was like 69 years old and it's sure questionable how
up to date he was. The account I read said when intercepted
by the Blackhawks he totally froze and the student pilot
had to take over and land the plane. His flying career needs
to end.

Yea, damm 69 year olds have no business flying in the first place !

I won't be 69 for five more months. It seems that my 27 years as an air
carrier pilot, some 4,500 light aircraft time, and working with regs,
procedures, and current/next-generation terminal instrument procedures
design keeps me in the game, provided I have a safety pilot, of course.

wrote:
The point I was trying to make is that age 69, he should more likely be able to
afford a Garmin 196 or 296 than the typical 18 year old pilot.

That's true. Then again, depending on how long he has been flying, he
is less likely to NEED a GPS than is a typical 18 year old pilot! I
flew at least one cross country with no radios at all when getting my
private. My instructor made sure I could fly by ded reckoning and/or
pilotage before the VORs ever got powered up.

I am wondering if this pilot had some sort of mental lapse as there are
so many good landmarks around DC, both natural (Potomac) as well as
man-made, that I just can't imagine getting lost. And then there is
always the compass...


Matt

wrote:


Scott Moore wrote:


OtisWinslow wrote:

This guy was like 69 years old and it's sure questionable how
up to date he was. The account I read said when intercepted
by the Blackhawks he totally froze and the student pilot
had to take over and land the plane. His flying career needs
to end.

Yea, damm 69 year olds have no business flying in the first place !


I won't be 69 for five more months. It seems that my 27 years as an air
carrier pilot, some 4,500 light aircraft time, and working with regs,
procedures, and current/next-generation terminal instrument procedures
design keeps me in the game, provided I have a safety pilot, of course.

Sounds like quite a career. It is good to see pilots flying at 60+
years of age. It gives us "youngsters" in our 40's some hope!

Matt

Maybe. This thing still boggles my mind. I don't know how two guys in an
airplane could not miss the Distirct of Columbia in good weather if they
wanted to, with or without a 196.

I'd give $100 just to sit down with both these guys for about an hour, just
to be able to ask them, for starters, "What the f___ were you thinking?"




wrote in message ...
The point I was trying to make is that age 69, he should more likely be
able to
afford a Garmin 196 or 296 than the typical 18 year old pilot.

Matt Whiting wrote:

wrote:
Perhaps even a pilot age 68 could do the sme thing.

Or 67...

Or 66...

Or...



wrote in message
...


Ted wrote:


OtisWinslow wrote in message ...

This guy was like 69 years old and it's sure questionable how
up to date he was. The account I read said when intercepted
by the Blackhawks he totally froze and the student pilot
had to take over and land the plane. His flying career needs
to end.

There's no excuse for not getting a briefing and getting
the NOTAMS. I don't leave the ground without getting
a briefing and I fly in a low traffic part of the country.


A little Garmin consumer GPS receiver ($140) with a proximity
waypoint

set

to 15 miles around the Washington monument wouldn't have been a bad
idea
either.

A guy age 69 who still flys (well, until recently) perhaps could
afford a
Garmin 196 or 296, perhaps learn how to use it, have a current
database,

and

have a really good shot of staying out of ugly airspace. ~

Yes, this pilot's problem wasn't age, it was not being prepared for the
airspace in which he was flying. This could be the case with a pilot 16
or 86.

My primary instructor is 84 and still flies fairly regularly. I don't
think he instructs or otherwise exercises his commercial privileges, but
he kept one of his 150s when he retired as the operator of N38 and still
flies it often as well as riding his Harley. His flying skills are
still the envy of many much younger pilots, myself included.

Matt

" wrote:

Maybe. This thing still boggles my mind. I don't know how two guys in an
airplane could not miss the Distirct of Columbia in good weather if they
wanted to, with or without a 196.

I'd give $100 just to sit down with both these guys for about an hour, just
to be able to ask them, for starters, "What the f___ were you thinking?"

I suppose we cannot dismiss the possibility they did it deliberately for some
"fun."

Matt Whiting wrote in
:

wrote:


Scott Moore wrote:


OtisWinslow wrote:

This guy was like 69 years old and it's sure questionable how
up to date he was. The account I read said when intercepted
by the Blackhawks he totally froze and the student pilot
had to take over and land the plane. His flying career needs
to end.

Yea, damm 69 year olds have no business flying in the first place !


I won't be 69 for five more months. It seems that my 27 years as an
air carrier pilot, some 4,500 light aircraft time, and working with
regs, procedures, and current/next-generation terminal instrument
procedures design keeps me in the game, provided I have a safety
pilot, of course.

Sounds like quite a career. It is good to see pilots flying at 60+
years of age. It gives us "youngsters" in our 40's some hope!

I hope I can still be flying then. I don't even hope to be able to
retire before then. Social Security won't be enough, and my 401(k),
which is only a few years old, keeps going down in value, not up.
People who want to put their money into a private account rather than
Social Security need to really think about the possibility. Several
counties around here did just that with their employees, and those
retirees are in a real bind, with little or no retirement income.
They're just screwed.

--
Regards,

Stan

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." B. Franklin

"Stan Gosnell" wrote in message
...
I hope I can still be flying then. I don't even hope to be able to
retire before then. Social Security won't be enough, and my 401(k),
which is only a few years old, keeps going down in value, not up.

Sounds like someone is speculating.

People who want to put their money into a private account rather than
Social Security need to really think about the possibility.

Your retirement account is supposed to make its gains over several years,
not a "few" years. How diversified is your account and in what ratios?

Several
counties around here did just that with their employees, and those
retirees are in a real bind, with little or no retirement income.
They're just screwed.


"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." B. Franklin

When people post that quote I wonder if they read the rest of Franklin's
statement (which said "security", not "safety"). The other line is "The way
to be safe is to never be secure" (meaning "don't get complacent").


--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO