TFRs and ADIZ: The Final Solution

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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Well, Mr. Pot, still wanting to call the kettle black.

What you describe as my world is indeed every bit as outlandish as your
world.

The problem with your comparison, though, is that what I refer to as "your
world" consists of things you actually say (e.g. that Rep. McDermott
committed treason), whereas the views you attribute to me resemble nothing
I've ever said.

But that's the salient characteristic of your world: no grounding in
reality
is required for attributing bizarre beliefs and attitudes to your
opponents.


Gosh, I made him so mad he is beginning to stutter. :-)

I am still waiting for the actual quotes and verifiable documentation you
said you were going to post. A single statement where McDermott even mildly
criticizes Hussein would be a start.

Meanwhile, since you asked for quotes and documentation, I suppose I should
tell you that the material in my post is largely taken from other material
which does consist mostly of quotes and documentation.

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fift...enheit-911.htm

If this report has errors I would enjoy reading about them. I suspect,
though, that you will simply toss it off as biased right-wing extremism and
refuse to address any of its points.

As for the latest from Baghdad Jim, see

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/jamies..._robert22.html

As for my living in a fantasy world, you are the one defending the idea that
the whole Iraq war was based on a conspiracy between Bush, al Qaeda, and the
Saudi government to control a non-existent pipeline in Afghanistan. Don't
deny it; you said that my assertions that there was no such conspiracy were
a fantasy, which means you believe that there was such a conspiracy.

As for Baghdad Jim's treason, I might point you to

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/g...20021001.shtml

I think the comparison with Lord Haw Haw is very apt.

McDermott took bribes from the Hussein regime:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/903913/posts

Here is a tape of Baghdad Jim's outrageous remarks:

http://www.usefulwork.com/shark/archives/001348.html

I am still waiting for the actual quotes and verifiable documentation you
said you were going to post.

Then it has escaped your attention that I tracked down and documented the
McDermott statement that the right wing has absurdly mischaracterized as
endorsing "Saddam's trustworthiness".

A single statement where McDermott even mildly
criticizes Hussein would be a start.

Oh for goodness' sake, CJ. In a speech just a few weeks ago, McDermott
referred to Hussein as a "thug"
(http://www.house.gov/mcdermott/sp040618a.shtml ).

As for Baghdad Jim's treason, I might point you to
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/g...20021001.shtml

You seem not to have noticed that that article's ascription to McDermott of
the claim that "Americans should take Saddam Hussein at his word" is
precisely the dishonest paraphrase of the dishonestly truncated quote that I
already addressed in my last post! I also documented the ACTUAL McDermott
statement, which of course says no such thing.

As for my living in a fantasy world, you are the one defending the idea
that
the whole Iraq war was based on a conspiracy between Bush, al Qaeda, and
the
Saudi government to control a non-existent pipeline in Afghanistan. Don't
deny it; you said that my assertions that there was no such conspiracy
were
a fantasy,

Uh, no I didn't. If I had, you could easily supply a quote.

which means you believe that there was such a conspiracy.

Fascinating. Because I implied that your expressed world is a fantasy (and
cited a salient example), you conclude that you can legitimately attribute
to me the opposite of every opinion you expressed about anything!

Ironically, your florid sophistry here is a sterling example of how you go
about constructing fantasy versions of your opponents' views.

--Gary

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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What you describe as my world is indeed every bit as outlandish as your
world.

The problem with your comparison, though, is that what I refer to as
"your
world" consists of things you actually say (e.g. that Rep. McDermott
committed treason), whereas the views you attribute to me resemble
nothing
I've ever said.

Really? Weren't you the one defending Moore's movie? Or do you now deny
it?

Since you ask, I will say now that Moore's movie has many worthwhile aspects
and should be seen.

However, no, I did not previously endorse Moore's film here. If you think
otherwise, please cite a quote.

The closest you'll find is that I mentioned that a Fox News reviewer spoke
favorably of Fahrenheit 9/11. But I had not yet seen the film myself, so I
expressed no opinion agreeing or disagreeing with the reviewer.

The truth bites, doesn't it? Sorry, if you think Fahrenheit 9/11 has
anything important to say, then what I said about your fantasies is spot
on.

Because I mentioned a favorable Fox News review of Moore's film, you feel
entitled to attribute to me the entirety of what you believe are the film's
views (which, of course, you have also bizarrely mischaracterized).

Seeing the steps by which you construct your world-view makes it much less
mysterious that the final product turns out as it does.

--Gary

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:08:29 -0700, "C J Campbell"
wrote:


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:24:45 -0700, "C J Campbell"
wrote:

Now, since you can't support your conspiracy theory,

Chris, please provide the Message-ID of the article in THIS message
thread in which you read a statement from me proclaiming a "conspiracy
theory." You're inference of my statements belongs to you; please
don't attribute it to me.

you simply revert to ad hominem attacks against George Bush.

Please also provide the Message-ID of the article in THIS message
thread in which you inferred my statements to be "ad hominem attacks
against George Bush."

Please also respond to my clarification of your misstatement about Mr.
Moore's movie containing a falsehood regarding the existence of a
pipeline through Afghanistan in Message-ID:
.

I see. Calling him a drug smuggler more interested in his golf swing than in
doing his job is not an ad hominem attack?

I can see why you failed to provide the Message-IDs, because I did not
call him a drug smuggler. I said Bush looked 'smug', as in 'highly
self satisfied.'

Tell me, do you have any evidence that this is so?

I have no evidence concerning baby Bush's drug use, but his father's
drug smuggling using military aircraft is a matter of public record:
Iran-Contra Affair.

And this site http://www.lazygranch.com/nosepic.htm shows baby Bush
sticking something up his nose! Very Presidential. :-(

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:16:45 -0500, Chris W wrote:

to irrational fears of the public that is fostered by the media morons,
would be any better with someone else in the Whitehouse?

WE know it won't be different with Kerry, but I do like the solution
proposed. It's honest and refreshing and does seem like it stands a
chance of working.

Then again, the public apathy is such that they probably could care less
and there aren't enough pilots left after that to affect a change, so I
guess we'll never win until we have one world government...

Here's what I did do however, when the various law enforcement agencies
call up for donations I explain to them that my money I would have sent to
them is now being sent to AOPA to aid in the fight for our survival now
that we have these silly TFR's and other stupid rules.

http://www.jibjab.com/thisland.html

Your choice...

Recently, Matthew P. Cummings posted:

Here's what I did do however, when the various law enforcement
agencies call up for donations I explain to them that my money I
would have sent to them is now being sent to AOPA to aid in the fight
for our survival now that we have these silly TFR's and other stupid
rules.

What a great suggestion! Unfortunately, I doubt that the fund raisers that
the law enforcement agencies employ have any idea what AOPA or TFRs are,
so I don't think the message gets passed on.

Neil

C J Campbell wrote:

[snip]
Democrats! Here is your chance to so embarrass the Bush administration that
it will fall almost immediately! Each of you take your plane and
'accidentally' fly it into the ADIZ. Not all at once; it has to look random.
Be sure to take your families with you. Then, when you get shot down, the
Bush administration will get a black eye from 'killing innocent women and
children.' The Kerry campaign will have a field day criticizing 'the
reckless behavior of the Bush administration.' There will be Congressional
investigations, independent prosecutors, maybe even impeachment proceedings.
The fact that all the people killed are Democrats will make it look like
some kind of evil Republican conspiracy. It might even mean the end of the
Republican Party as we know it.
[snip]


What a great idea! As soon as all those who are against us have taken
themselves and their families across the ADIZ, we will finally have
peace. At last our land will only have correctly educated, like-minded
people from Sea to God Blessed Shining Sea.

Your subject line says it all: this truly will be the Final Solution.
Way to go CJ!!!

All we have left is fear. Let's embrace it all the way to the firey
end!

"DanH" wrote in message
...
C J Campbell wrote:

[snip]
Democrats! Here is your chance to so embarrass the Bush administration
that
it will fall almost immediately! Each of you take your plane and
'accidentally' fly it into the ADIZ. Not all at once; it has to look
random.
Be sure to take your families with you. Then, when you get shot down,
the
Bush administration will get a black eye from 'killing innocent women
and
children.' The Kerry campaign will have a field day criticizing 'the
reckless behavior of the Bush administration.' There will be
Congressional
investigations, independent prosecutors, maybe even impeachment
proceedings.
The fact that all the people killed are Democrats will make it look like
some kind of evil Republican conspiracy. It might even mean the end of
the
Republican Party as we know it.
[snip]


What a great idea! As soon as all those who are against us have taken
themselves and their families across the ADIZ, we will finally have
peace. At last our land will only have correctly educated, like-minded
people from Sea to God Blessed Shining Sea.

Your subject line says it all: this truly will be the Final Solution.
Way to go CJ!!!

All we have left is fear. Let's embrace it all the way to the firey
end!

No, I don't care much for fear. Let the Democrats keep that.