B-52 Re-engining?

I think the proposal was to lease Rolls Royce RB211-535E4s. They're used on
the 757.
Only ever seen one pic of the proposal - does look kind of ...odd!

There's also a second proposal being looked at that would replace 8 with 8.
Sorry, I don't remember what type of engines would replace the TF-33. Latest
word is the 8 engine proposal is a little cheaper and prefered by Boeing. By
replacing 2 engines with 1 (with greater total thrust I might add) presents
some assymetric thrust problems should an engine be lost during a heavy weight
takeoff. Initially the RB-211 proposal included the "auto-rudder" which is
currently installed on 757s. This system automatically displaces the required
rudder amount for an engine loss. The problem in the BUFF, as anyone who's
ever done a 6-engine approach (done with 2 outboard engines on one side in
idle) or a 2-engine loss takeoff in the simulator knows, sometimes full rudder
isn't enough. The BUFF rudder is just too small. To solve the problem,
another automated system was going to be installed to automatically reduce the
thrust on the opposite outboard engine *and* increase thrust on the inboard
engines. By the time the automated systems were factored in, the cost had gone
up by a fair amount. Its still possible we may get 4-for-8, but right now
there's more attention on 8-for-8.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"Anonymous" wrote in message
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The Raven wrote in message ...
Fair enough, perhaps I should have clarified.......................but
it's
not like a nation is going to have heaps of aircraft without a decent
population.

Britain's got a fair size airforce, hasn't it ?

and their population V Austs?


I'd have thought that Australia would have had more aircraft due to the
size
of the territory they have to defend.

But you need to factor in that Australia needs to provide services and
infrastructure to a country the size of the USA with a population of 20
million, it means that a lot of tax money is already spent.


The fact that Australia is entirely surrounded by oceans means that it
needs
to be able to guard its coastline.

Most of the population is coastal, and is concentrated in and around the
major cities, so I suppose that's where the airforce will be concentrated.

But they will still need to prevent any potential threats making a landing
on the coast in a secluded area and then setting up base on Australian
soil.


No credible attacker has that capability.

On 25 Sep 2003 23:53:55 GMT, (BUFDRVR) wrote:

Its still possible we may get 4-for-8, but right now
there's more attention on 8-for-8.

And I bet you cant wait.... :-).


greg

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"Harry Andreas" wrote in message
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In article , "Anonymous"
wrote:

Steve Hix wrote in message ...
In article ,
"The Raven" wrote:

Fair enough, perhaps I should have
clarified.......................but it's
not like a nation is going to have heaps of aircraft without a decent
population.

Could they have more with an indecent population?

They wouldn't need any if they were all indecent. No bugger would try
and
invade !

NUDE AUSTRALIANS - the ultimate deterrant against invasion...

Hmmm. Thinking of Elle MacPherson just now. There's at least one good
reason to invade. What about Nicole Kidman? Reason two...

Holly Valance, Kylie, Dannii... the list goes on and on!

Nick

Nick Pedley wrote in message ...

"Harry Andreas" wrote in message
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In article , "Anonymous"
wrote:
NUDE AUSTRALIANS - the ultimate deterrant against invasion...

Hmmm. Thinking of Elle MacPherson just now. There's at least one good
reason to invade. What about Nicole Kidman? Reason two...

Holly Valance, Kylie, Dannii... the list goes on and on!

OK.

But that's just their entrapment plan.

After the invaders have landed, they wheel out Paul Hogan and Steve Irwin.

"G'day mate!" they chorus in, taking their cork hats away to reveal their
'bits'...

"RUN AWAY!" scream the former invading party...

Cheers
Graeme

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:47:37 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous wrote:

OK.

But that's just their entrapment plan.

After the invaders have landed, they wheel out Paul Hogan and Steve Irwin.

"G'day mate!" they chorus in, taking their cork hats away to reveal their
'bits'...

"RUN AWAY!" scream the former invading party...

And if that doesn't work there's always Yahoo Serious being held back in
strategic reserve...

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com

Yeff wrote in message ...
And if that doesn't work there's always Yahoo Serious being held back in
strategic reserve...

shudder

Cheers
Graeme

In article ,
(BUFDRVR) wrote:

Initially the RB-211 proposal included the "auto-rudder" which is
currently installed on 757s. This system automatically displaces the required
rudder amount for an engine loss.

What's this auto-rudder bit. In my years on the 757 with the RB-211's
there was no such thing.

--
Ron

And I bet you cant wait.... :-).


It'll be like Christmas in (insert month of first operational re-engined BUFF
arriving here). The proposal will also give us an upgraded avionics, which will
be worth as much to the average crewdog as the engines themselves.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

What's this auto-rudder bit. In my years on the 757 with the RB-211's
there was no such thing.


Hmm, according to Boeing's literature it's installed on 757s???


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"