Cross Country Logging time

"BTIZ" wrote in message
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Are you planning on using the time for a certificate or rating? If so,
none
of it is loggable, as each leg was 50 nm. BUT, for any other purpose,
(part 135 or 121 experience, insurence) it IS cross country, as defined
elsewhere in the regs, as any point to point flight.


B***S***... by defintion of Part 61, and also FAQ file for Part 61, the
entire time can be counted towards a rating... he went more than 50nm from
airport A.. to D.. it does not matter how many airports he touched in
between. "the farthest point from the declared start of the cross country
counts." granted.. a prudent person might only log the time not spent
doing
multiple T&Gs.

D'oh! Looks like I'm the confused one. I too confused the student x-c
requirement with a single leg over 50, with the 50nm requirement for
commercial and IR requirements.

I really need to start re-reading my regs again...

Thanks,
Mike

"Jim" wrote in message ...
I flew from Airport A to Airport B (did 1 touch-and-go) to Airport C
(did 1 touch and go) to airport D (did 3 touch and goes), then returned
to Airport A and landed. Airports A & D are greater than 50 nm apart.
Airports A&B, B&C, and C&D are less than 50 nm apart, respectively.

Should I log the entire flight as a 50nm Cross Country flight, or just
a portion? Should I delete the time spent doing touch and goes at
Airport D from the Cross Country time?

Any flight where you land some place other than your point of departure is a
cross country flight and you should log the entire time. Also, you landed
more than 50 nm from your original point of departure so you can also count
that as cross country time for those pilot ratings or certificates that
require that.

The regulations say nothing about intermediate stops. You can make as many
as you like. Some people hop around more than a flea in a hot pan. Nothing
says you can't.

Jim wrote in message ...
I flew from Airport A to Airport B (did 1 touch-and-go) to Airport C
(did 1 touch and go) to airport D (did 3 touch and goes), then returned
to Airport A and landed. Airports A & D are greater than 50 nm apart.
Airports A&B, B&C, and C&D are less than 50 nm apart, respectively.

Should I log the entire flight as a 50nm Cross Country flight, or just
a portion? Should I delete the time spent doing touch and goes at
Airport D from the Cross Country time?


An interesting piece of FAR trivia, somewhat related to your question:
The 1986 flight by Dick Rutan and Jeana Yeager, cirumnavigating the
globe in Burt Rutan's Voyager, would NOT count as cross country time
for the PP or COM certificate because it did not include a landing
more than 50 NM from the point of departure. It would count for the
ATP certificate, which does not require a landing. That
record-setting flight lasted over nine days and covered almost 25,000
miles.

"Teacherjh" wrote in message
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I flew from Airport A to Airport B (did 1 touch-and-go) to Airport C
(did 1 touch and go) to airport D (did 3 touch and goes), then returned
to Airport A and landed. Airports A & D are greater than 50 nm apart.
Airports A&B, B&C, and C&D are less than 50 nm apart, respectively.


I log as cross country the entirety of any flight any of whose landings is
more
than 50 nm from any other landing.

That's entirely your right (it's your logbook), and it certainly "feels"
like a crosscountry. If you have the Instrument and Commercial, it won't
matter.

However, you can't necessarily claim such a flight as part of the 50 hour
requirement for one of those ratings (61.1(b)(3)(ii)(B)), and many of us use
the cross-country column for that purpose. You can divide such a flight into
two portions and declare a second "original point of departure", but some
regard that as having less value. The examiner might not check, of course.

-- David Brooks

"James L. Freeman" wrote in message
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An interesting piece of FAR trivia, somewhat related to your question:
The 1986 flight by Dick Rutan and Jeana Yeager, cirumnavigating the
globe in Burt Rutan's Voyager, would NOT count as cross country time
for the PP or COM certificate because it did not include a landing
more than 50 NM from the point of departure. It would count for the
ATP certificate, which does not require a landing. That
record-setting flight lasted over nine days and covered almost 25,000
miles.

Yup..it counted as one HUGE touch-an-go.