Aug 6th B738 and Glider Near Miss. Frankfurt

On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:01:58 +0200, John Smith
wrote:

Martin Gregorie wrote:
It strikes me that if a low-cost carrier's airliner deliberately
transited uncontrolled airspace

It strikes me that a pilot doesn't know that class E is controlled
airspace. Hence it was the controller who cleared the airliner to fly
that route.

Besides, as far as I know, Frankfurt-Hahn just can't be approached
without transiting class E airspace. So the only safe solution would be
to install more class D or C or a transponder mandating zone. I doubt
this would please the the glider pilots.

Well... I fly in the vicinity of Frankfurt-Hahn, and its D airspace
ought to be completely sufficient to fly the complete approach without
ever touching the surrounding E airspace.

However, I have the feeling that especially Ryan Air is deliberately
trying to create as many near-miss reports in Germany as possible in
order to enlarge the D airspaces around "their" airports as much as
possible - to enable them to fly their trademark straight-in
approaches.

Last July I was on board of a Ryan Air 737 (1.98 Euros from
Zweibruecken to Londion Stansted - and back !!!) that was flying a
straight-in approach to Zweibruecken... after a 50 nm (for insiders:
we entered E airspace north of Trier....!!!) final in E airspace at
6.000 ft, right below the cloud streets.
There are no airspace restrictions that would enforce such an
approach.


Regards
Andreas