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IFR Cancellation Question
"Alan Gerber" wrote in message ... Underneath the New York Class B airspace: TEB (Teterboro), MMU (Morristown), CDW (Caldwell), HPN (Westchester), and FRG (Farmingdale) - all pretty busy Class D airports. When you're in any of that Class D airspace, do you feel you should be talking to the tower or still on flight following? |
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"Alan Gerber" wrote in message ... I don't know. How do you mean "should" he as what's best, or as what's standard procedure? I've only experienced having them wait to terminate until I had the field in sight. Instructing VFR aircraft on flight following to advise when they have the field in sight is not standard procedure and does not have any useful purpose. When *is* "time to switch"? Again, I had thought - by inferring from how I've been handled - that it's time to switch when I actually have the field in sight. It's time to switch at a point that will allow the aircraft to contact the tower before entering Class D airspace. Because if I'm having trouble spotting the field, either I need help because it's hard to find, or I'm just not in the right place (i.e., "lost"), and need help finding it because I'm lost. How is keeping flight following, by itself, beneficial in those cases? |
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On 12/18/06 15:04, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Alan Gerber" wrote in message ... Underneath the New York Class B airspace: TEB (Teterboro), MMU (Morristown), CDW (Caldwell), HPN (Westchester), and FRG (Farmingdale) - all pretty busy Class D airports. When you're in any of that Class D airspace, do you feel you should be talking to the tower or still on flight following? Is there a reason why the pilot should not be on flight following once he enters Class D airspace? The controller will hand you off to the tower when both are ready for you. To the original poster: Sighting the field is not what is needed to have the FF controller hand you off to the tower controller. I think because this has happened to you a few times, you may have gotten the wrong impression. The FF controller is not waiting for you to find the field. He assumes you know where you're going. He is not providing directions to you (unless you ask for it, of course). Telling the FF controller that you have the field in sight is just a polite way of letting the controller know that you're ready to be handed off to the tower. It is not necessary. The FF controller will hand you off when he and the tower controller are ready for you. If you want it sooner, just ask: "XXX Approach, Cessna XXXX, Request frequency change to XXX tower", or just terminate flight following. As to whether or not you've spotted the field, this has little to do with either controller - again, they assume you know where you're going. If you need help, ask either one. Hope this helps, -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Cal Aggie Flying Farmers Sacramento, CA |
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"Mark Hansen" wrote in message ... Is there a reason why the pilot should not be on flight following once he enters Class D airspace? Yes, if he's not talking to the tower when he enters Class D airspace he's busted FAR 91.129(c)(1). The controller will hand you off to the tower when both are ready for you. How does that work? Telling the FF controller that you have the field in sight is just a polite way of letting the controller know that you're ready to be handed off to the tower. It is not necessary. The FF controller will hand you off when he and the tower controller are ready for you. If you want it sooner, just ask: "XXX Approach, Cessna XXXX, Request frequency change to XXX tower", or just terminate flight following. As I recall the issue was why do some controllers tell VFR aircraft on flight following to report the field in sight. |
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On 12/18/06 15:42, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Mark Hansen" wrote in message ... Is there a reason why the pilot should not be on flight following once he enters Class D airspace? Yes, if he's not talking to the tower when he enters Class D airspace he's busted FAR 91.129(c)(1). No, his communication requirements are met by maintaining communication with the ATC facility providing flight following. The controller will hand you off to the tower when both are ready for you. How does that work? Telling the FF controller that you have the field in sight is just a polite way of letting the controller know that you're ready to be handed off to the tower. It is not necessary. The FF controller will hand you off when he and the tower controller are ready for you. If you want it sooner, just ask: "XXX Approach, Cessna XXXX, Request frequency change to XXX tower", or just terminate flight following. As I recall the issue was why do some controllers tell VFR aircraft on flight following to report the field in sight. I was responding to your question, which was: When you're in any of that Class D airspace, do you feel you should be talking to the tower or still on flight following? -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Cal Aggie Flying Farmers Sacramento, CA |
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"Mark Hansen" wrote in message ... No, his communication requirements are met by maintaining communication with the ATC facility providing flight following. How is that done? |
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On 12/18/06 17:35, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Mark Hansen" wrote in message ... No, his communication requirements are met by maintaining communication with the ATC facility providing flight following. How is that done? What do you mean "how is it done?" The pilot is in communication with ATC, the reg says the pilot must be in communication with ATC. -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Cal Aggie Flying Farmers Sacramento, CA |
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"Mark Hansen" wrote in message ... What do you mean "how is it done?" The pilot is in communication with ATC, the reg says the pilot must be in communication with ATC. Communication with any ATC facility satisfies the requirements of the reg? Doesn't the reg specify communication with the ATC facility providing air traffic services in that airspace? |
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On 12/18/06 18:21, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Mark Hansen" wrote in message ... What do you mean "how is it done?" The pilot is in communication with ATC, the reg says the pilot must be in communication with ATC. Communication with any ATC facility satisfies the requirements of the reg? Doesn't the reg specify communication with the ATC facility providing air traffic services in that airspace? Yes. |
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"Mark Hansen" wrote in message ... On 12/18/06 18:21, Steven P. McNicoll wrote: "Mark Hansen" wrote in message ... What do you mean "how is it done?" The pilot is in communication with ATC, the reg says the pilot must be in communication with ATC. Communication with any ATC facility satisfies the requirements of the reg? Doesn't the reg specify communication with the ATC facility providing air traffic services in that airspace? Yes. Which question are you answering? |
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