Could technology bring back the Red Baron dogfight?

"Buzzer" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:58:28 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
wrote:



I'm getting all excited with all this talk. I'm thinking of taking a
Viagra;
but my wife says all that will do is keep me from rolling out of bed!!

If by chance you did roll out of bed you could end up with a BENT
SPEAR incident..

Whereas usually it's just a DULL SWORD.

Pete

Buzzer wrote:

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:58:28 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
wrote:


"WaltBJ" wrote in message
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Yew mean yew don't know how to find other airplanes? The F102, being a
male airplane (ever see the 'barrier probe'? Not what we called it!)
could find the other jets because of their heat . .
Walt BJ

I'm getting all excited with all this talk. I'm thinking of taking a Viagra;
but my wife says all that will do is keep me from rolling out of bed!!

If by chance you did roll out of bed you could end up with a BENT
SPEAR incident..

Beats a BROKEN ARROW...
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-Gord.

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:28:46 -0800, Hobo wrote:

In article ,
Ed Rasimus wrote:

If the aircraft are stealthy, how do they find each other for the
dogfight?

You win, there were no dogfights before radar. All mention of such
dogfights having occured are nothing but lies.

As the Baron so succinctly stated, "to rove the alloted area, seek out
the enemy and kill him. Anything else is rubbish."

The problem, of course, (and here I belabor the point) is that with a
stealthy aircraft, you are hard to find on radar, hard to see visually
and hard to detect IR. Additionally you are quiet and may be operating
at altitude and at night making it additionally hard to detect.

So, you've got two adversaries, starting out from airfields several
hundred miles apart, with no pre-coordinated rendezvous wandering for
an hour and a half at a time through thousands of cubic miles of
airspace, not even necessarily at the same time of day.

Should one blunder on to the other, at the speeds and maneuverability
involved, the detection may only be for a second or two and depending
upon the angular relationship may never be repeated.

Assume a slight (it doesn't have to be much) assymetry in the level of
stealth technology between the adversaries and the advantage shifts.
Then detection is possible and weapons can be employed.

While your comment about dogfights before radar is pithy, and
certainly correct, recognizing the sarcasm of "nothing but lies", it
doesn't apply because dogfights before radar were between non-stealthy
aircraft.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 01:23:47 GMT, Buzzer wrote:

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:58:28 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
wrote:


"WaltBJ" wrote in message
.com...
Yew mean yew don't know how to find other airplanes? The F102, being a
male airplane (ever see the 'barrier probe'? Not what we called it!)
could find the other jets because of their heat . .
Walt BJ

I'm getting all excited with all this talk. I'm thinking of taking a Viagra;
but my wife says all that will do is keep me from rolling out of bed!!

If by chance you did roll out of bed you could end up with a BENT
SPEAR incident..

Or, even worse, a "BROKEN ARROW" (ouch).

Al Minyard

Alan Minyard wrote:

If by chance you did roll out of bed you could end up with a BENT
SPEAR incident..

Or, even worse, a "BROKEN ARROW" (ouch).

Al Minyard

You beat me by 29 min. Al...

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-Gord.