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Mode S transponder display to ATC?
Peter,
which display aircraft registrations do it by containing software and database to decode the 24-bit code. Why wouldn't they simply use the flight ID data field? -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Mode S transponder display to ATC?
"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
... Peter, which display aircraft registrations do it by containing software and database to decode the 24-bit code. Why wouldn't they simply use the flight ID data field? For one, not all ModeS transponders have that capability as it's implemented as a level 2 function. I know that many, if not all, areas of western Europe require a ModeS transponder, but I'm not sure if they require a level 2 ModeS transponder. |
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Mode S transponder display to ATC?
Peter wrote:
You would however get into trouble if you recorded ATC and then openly published the recording, e.g. on a website. I don't know why there is this sensitivity because UK ATC are generally highly professional; Maybe a parallel to Germany might help. In Germany, tapping into any communication not intended by the sender to be heard/read/whatever by oneself is illegal (regardless of whether there are measures taken to prevent this) under privacy laws. There are some exceptions, but that's the general rule. ATC communication is only intended for a limited circle of recipients. Plane spotters are not the intended recipients, thus, they may not listen. It has nothing to do with perceived professionality of the ATC people, and everything with protecting the privacy of ATC and pilots. |
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Mode S transponder display to ATC?
Michael Huber writes:
Maybe a parallel to Germany might help. In Germany, tapping into any communication not intended by the sender to be heard/read/whatever by oneself is illegal (regardless of whether there are measures taken to prevent this) under privacy laws. There are some exceptions, but that's the general rule. ATC communication is only intended for a limited circle of recipients. Plane spotters are not the intended recipients, thus, they may not listen. If you take that to its logical conclusion, it should be illegal for pilots to listen to any ATC transmission that isn't specifically addressed to them. It has nothing to do with perceived professionality of the ATC people, and everything with protecting the privacy of ATC and pilots. I'm certain that it has nothing to do with protecting privacy, and everything to do with protecting incompetence. |
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Mode S transponder display to ATC?
Anthony Atkielski said:
I'm certain that it has nothing to do with protecting privacy, and everything to do with protecting incompetence. Finally, Anthony has found something where he has some expertise and experience- congratulations! |
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Mode S transponder display to ATC?
Mxsmanic wrote:
If you take that to its logical conclusion, it should be illegal for pilots to listen to any ATC transmission that isn't specifically addressed to them. *sigh* I'm going to violate my rule against replying to MXS and reply to this, since I think it's an easy mistake to make. It isn't, as the ATC (and any transmitting pilots) are fully aware that all pilots are listening in. Thus, it is not an invasion of their privacy, since the transmitting party is aware of these listeners. Further, it is actually beneficial and intended for all pilots to listen, since listening to all transmissions can enhance the pilots' situational awareness - they know what the other guy is doing. So, the argument is that while only one plane is specifically adressed, the intended recipients are really planes on the frequency. |
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Mode S transponder display to ATC?
Michael Huber writes:
I'm going to violate my rule against replying to MXS and reply to this, since I think it's an easy mistake to make. It isn't, as the ATC (and any transmitting pilots) are fully aware that all pilots are listening in. Thus, it is not an invasion of their privacy, since the transmitting party is aware of these listeners. In that case, since pilots and ATC are also generally aware that people on the ground are listening in, spotters and others listening to the communications aren't breaking the law, either. Further, it is actually beneficial and intended for all pilots to listen, since listening to all transmissions can enhance the pilots' situational awareness - they know what the other guy is doing. It is beneficial for people on the ground to listen in as well, as it improves their situational awareness of the state of flights in the air. So, the argument is that while only one plane is specifically adressed, the intended recipients are really planes on the frequency. So is it legal for United to have a channel on the aircraft that allows passengers to listen to ATC? Why, or why not? |
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Mode S transponder display to ATC?
Anthony, don't worry, you don't have or need a mode S transponder, or for
that matter a transponder of any kind. These devices are used by people who actually fly airplanes, and are used in actual airplanes. They are not a factor for gamers, like yourself. So, don't worry. If you need to hear any other voices in the dark, you can always communicate with your imaginary controllers and fellow game players via the net. Everything will be alright, don't worry. The demons will go away soon. |
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Mode S transponder display to ATC?
Thomas Borchert wrote:
Peter, Doesn't the system process the flightid field? Some do. In Europe, more and more do. Or isn't that transmitted? It certainly is. Not in the U.S. |
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Mode S transponder display to ATC?
Sam,
Not in the U.S. Source? A source that shows a Garmin GTX330 does not transmit flight ID data in the US would suffice. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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