Reading R.A.O. pays off

"The Weiss Family" writes:

Downside - parts cost a fortune - try C$1600.00 for a mixture cable -
ouch! My friend bought a non Beech cable instead (I believe it was
actually a Cessna one) for less that C$100.00.

Can you do that? If so, I'm definitely going to go that route!

Get McFarlane's catalog, they have the best cables. I replaced
the push-pull mixture in my Skylane with a vernier control. Very
smooth action. As a bonus, that is one company that is really
into keeping customers happy.

-jav

On 11-Sep-2004, "The Weiss Family" wrote:

I also negotiated that he annual the plane (it was due in Nov).


Do I understand correctly that the seller is going to perform an annual as a
condition of sale? Is he an A&P, or do you mean he is going to PAY for it?
If the latter, who chose the shop? What incentive does he (the seller) have
to do anything beyond the absolute minimum to get the annual signed off? In
this airplane, the cost difference between a "barely legal" annual and a
"responsible" one could be thousands of dollars, depending upon how
diligently the plane has been maintained in the past.

That said, for all I know everything is ship-shape with the plane and you
will be very happy with it. Congratulations!

--
-Elliott Drucker

Yes, you can get field approval for a standard cable from Aircraft Spruce.

Come join us at musketeermail
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/musketeermail as well as the Beech Aero
Club http://www.beechaeroclub.org

Many congratulations on the plane!

Do I understand correctly that the seller is going to perform an annual as
a
condition of sale? Is he an A&P, or do you mean he is going to PAY for
it?

He is going to pay for it.

If the latter, who chose the shop? What incentive does he (the seller)
have
to do anything beyond the absolute minimum to get the annual signed off?
In
this airplane, the cost difference between a "barely legal" annual and a
"responsible" one could be thousands of dollars, depending upon how
diligently the plane has been maintained in the past.

Judging by the current condition of the plane, I think it has been well
maintained.
Also, the owner doesn't expect any high-cost items in the annual (aside from
fixing the small oil leak).
We did agree that if something else comes up that costs more than $500, he
may refuse to pay for it (basically I will have to, if I want to, or we can
can the whole deal). My feeling is that he will probably fix it. Since he
will either have to disclose any airworthiness issues to another potential
buyer, and adjust his asking price, or he will have to fix it. My guess is
that he will not want to find another buyer, and he'll just go ahead and fix
it...

That said, for all I know everything is ship-shape with the plane and you
will be very happy with it. Congratulations!

Thanks, and I'm hoping it all works out, too...

Adam

In article ,
Javier Henderson wrote:
I hereby wager $1.00 that the KX170's will outlast everything else
in the airplane.

....because they will be sitting, yellow-tagged, on some tech's shelf
after he replaces them with something else. ;-)

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

Are you still planning on flying out for the air races next week?
Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.

Thanks, Adam. Yep, after at least 10 revisions in our arrangements, we're
still planning on departing Wednesday for Reno.

In the unlikely event that we actually make it all the way to Grass Valley
in one day, we will be camping in Jim Weir and Gail Allinson's back yard on
Wednesday night.

Then it's off to the races for a few days (although I quite frankly have
forgotten how we're getting to the race itself. Was that your car we're
borrowing, or Jim's? :-), spending a couple of nights in a hotel (where the
folks who were supposed to accompany us have made reservations. They have
had to cancel their trip...), and then spending Sunday night back at Jim's
again before departing for home on Monday morning.

Whew! I'll bet everyone here a nickel that this trip doesn't go off as
planned, for two simple reasons:

1) We're traveling across the continent VFR
2) We've just experienced 8 perfect, cloudless days in a row here in the
Midwest.

That can't continue, can it?

We'll see!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

The Weiss Family wrote:

I just closed the deal on my first airplane.

Congrats! Sounds like you did very well.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

The Weiss Family wrote:


Judging by the current condition of the plane, I think it has been well
maintained.

That may be and hopefully it has been. However this guy is now your
enemy, sort of.


Also, the owner doesn't expect any high-cost items in the annual (aside from
fixing the small oil leak).
We did agree that if something else comes up that costs more than $500, he
may refuse to pay for it (basically I will have to, if I want to, or we can
can the whole deal).

Wrong way to go about it. He should be responsible for any item
affecting airworthiness, regardless of the cost.

There is one (actually two, mine's one of them) on Trade-A-Plane.
There is another A23 with a 200HP conversion on www.controller.com
It actually looks like a sweet deal, but I needed the third row seat.

Hi Adam
I couldn't find the ones on Trade-A-Plane (I'm not a member - strange
that non members can't search, being that their reason for existing is
to sell planes) but I did look at the www.controller.com one and I am
interested - I emailed it to some friends who own that model and I'll
let you know if I pursue it. Thanks for the heads up

Tony
--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

Do I understand correctly that the seller is going to perform an annual as a
condition of sale? Is he an A&P, or do you mean he is going to PAY for it?
If the latter, who chose the shop? What incentive does he (the seller) have
to do anything beyond the absolute minimum to get the annual signed off?

Yeah, I hope the written agreement is the airplane will be annualed
*and* returned to service (two completely separate steps that can be
performed by different people, the latter of which does not need to be
an IA). A mere "annual inspection" is just that, an inspection and
associated writeup of discrepanies. It has no other meaning.

The cost difference between a "barely legal" annual and a
"responsible" one could be thousands of dollars, depending upon how
diligently the plane has been maintained in the past.

Right, or again, that's the difference between an annual *inspection*
(even a really good one), and subsequent return to service. The
inspection part should be a fairly predictable fixed-cost deal, if I
were the seller that's how I would interpret my end of the bargain (+
the $500 allowance mentioned).

That said, for all I know everything is ship-shape with the plane and you
will be very happy with it. Congratulations!

Yes, seems like a good situation overall, I wouldn't be too worried.
Sounds like you guys have the "surprise" scenario worked out in form
of an escape clause of some sort. As someone else pointed out, not the
best way to approach it (you really wanted to stipulate airworthiness,
not completion of an inspection), but you'll be most likely OK.

Good luck !