Israeli Air Force to lose Middle East Air Superiority Capability to the Saudis in the near future

Tom Cooper wrote:
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in
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They flew several sorties over Port Alexandria well to the East of
Ciaro

BTW, Matt,
since when is Alexandria east of Cairo?

I tought on the History Channel they try to teach history, not
re-draw the maps....

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

If you read up on those raids the planes stayed over target for a long time.
The premise falsly made was that the IAF did not fly that many hours to need
to have pilots to rotate inorder to rest.

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Tom Cooper wrote:
"robert arndt" wrote in message
om...

Nice speech Tom... running for the Iranian Pro-Democracy Freedom &
Human Rights Party?... oops, Iran doesn't allow political opposition
nor care for human rights. Iran is too busy these days with its
covert nuclear weapons program and terrorist funding... the ultimate
goal of which is to eliminate the Jewish state like all their
neighbors (aka Islamic cohorts).

Rob,
you're a killer!

Actually I was just trying it as the top candidate of the Tudeh
(Iranian Communist Party) for Majlis. Namely, your info is wrong:
political opposition is permitted in Iran, albeit not all sorts of
it. Given that we helped the revolution in 1979, and it was actually
us who brought the Mullahs in power, from time to time we are
permitted to work legaly. Our ultimate goal is to impose the
dictature of the workers in Iran, then the whole Middle East, Andora,
Vatikan, and then also in the USA.

...you just wait and see.

BTW, I live in Northern California which is in range of nuclear
weapons from the FSU, Chinese missile subs, and future DPRK 3-stage
missiles... not to mention the threat every American faces with
nuclear terrorism, should Al Qaida get their grubby hands on a small
tactical device or ULY micronuke.

You realy provoked me now, and I'm oh so mad now, I can't hold myself
back any more (standing up and pointing with the finger at you): Let
me tell you that all of you dirty capitalist and islamist extremist
dogs will get what you deserve, sooner or later. We will nuke you
until you accept peace.

Tom, please stick to co-authoring pro-Iranian fiction and leave
reality based dialogue to others.

How could I?

But hell, what else can one like you expect from a pro-Iranian
Communist with imperial tendentions?

Oh, have I said "hell"? There is no such place.... OK. Well, then, in
the name of Holly Stallin and Mao, what else can an imperalist
******* like you expect from a brave pro-Iranian Communist - like me?

In that sence, let me also warn you: in some other places, I'm also
known as a dangerous agent and an imperialist text-writer. Don't you
dare to spread your Zionist propaganda on me....

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

So you accuse him of being a killer, who did he kill and what proof can you
offer to substantiate that. If you cannot I can suggest a good lawyer that
can take you to the cleaners for Libel, Jackass.

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"Quant" wrote in message
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I leave the interpretation for you (and for the other NG readers) in
this case.
You asked:
Has anybody in Tehran threatened to attack Dimona? To "burn down" the
whole Israel or whatever else?

So I showed you that the answer is yes.

You're, of course, right, Quant. Heck, must be Israel again supplied Iran a
shipment of malfunctioning MIM-23 I-HAWKs with Magen David star painted on
the fins, so ol' Raf got mad again....

At least I sincerely can't imagine any other reason for such an outburst of
hatred...

Also:

1. Not even _one_ statement by _any_ party in Israel threatened to
destroy Iran in the last decade. I challenge you to stand behind your
words and to provide a link to prove them.

You have my most sincere and humble apology. I will never again come to the
idea to blame Israel for anything - until the next threatening statement
from an Israeli politician or another Israeli ignorant aggression (in that
way I'll save myself the time I'd need to find all the stuff you asked for
on the internet).

2. Rafsanjani is not just a non-important extremist party. He is the
former president of Iran and has a lot of power to this day.

I can only cite you he see above.

And if it's not enough that the clergi their is anxious to nuke Israel
then their "reformist" president, khatami was also throwing poison at
Israel when Iran introduced the Shihab 3.

He stated that Israel is a threat for security in the Middle East. And,
that
is truth. Nothing else.

He was doing it in the ceremony of the introduction of the Shihab 3,
and Israel was the only foreign country mentioned in that ceremony.

You're right again. This is a clear and obvious sign of Iranian preparations
for a nuclear attack on Israel. I'll report this to DEBKAfile.com: they
announced such attacks on Israel by Syria and Iran already several times -
and were obviously right by doing so.

Anyone who knows something about international relations would tell
you that your analysis is wrong. This was a direct threat on Israel.

I admit my mistake, and I'm asking you for your apology. As said above: I'll
never again come to the idea to say that Israel is a threat for anybody -
until the next Israeli threat.

Also, see the interpretation of Khatami's reference to Israel in
Iranscope. I posted it bellow.

Khatami is Rafsanjani's marionette. Everybody knows this.

Strong Iran is a guarantee for the peace in the Persian Gulf area, as -
and
this is something everybody interested should know - as soon as Iran is
not
strong there is a war, as somebody attacks it.

Could be.
But lets not forget that "Tehran threatened to attack Dimona, or to
"burn down" the whole Israel or whatever else".

Right so: Israel should attack them as first. There is obviously a need for
pre-emptive action. That will certainly establish a stabile peace.

Did you notice the difference between Iran's and Israel's approach?

No. I haven't. Sharon also threatened already several times that Israel
will
destroy Bushehr. There were also threats with other stuff.

I don't remember Sharon publicly ever threatened to attack any nuclear
facility in Iran. Not even once.
If you could bring a prove to your claims it could be very helpful for
this debate.

Excuse me that I'm not going to lose my time for searching on the internet
for Sharon's statements. Accept my explanation that you are right and I am
wrong: Israel was never a threat for anybody. It never attacked anybody.
Israel was never an aggressor, nor has it taken what is not belonging to
Israel, or ignored international laws, decisions, and regulations.

In addition, I want to make clear here, that Israel is also poorely armed -
almost defenceless - compared to its neighbours.

I follow closely this subject and Israel declared that there is a
growing threat from Iran, but never talked about military action to
neutralize this threat.

Correct. This NEEEEVER happened.

I'm posting again the official Israeli Foreign Ministry announced.
This announcement was made after the ceremony of the introduction of
the Shihab 3.

Please, gimme more. I'll read it while I hear Stones' "I can't get no
satisfaction".

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in message
...

snip

So you accuse him of being a killer, who did he kill and what proof can
you
offer to substantiate that.

Holly Ho Chi Minh: you're brilliant, Matt!

He killed me, because - with the help of his telepatic capabilities - he
understood my actual intentions and ideas.

If you cannot I can suggest a good lawyer that
can take you to the cleaners for Libel, Jackass.

Holly Lenin: what was that?

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in message
...
Tom Cooper wrote:
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in
message ...


They flew several sorties over Port Alexandria well to the East of
Ciaro

BTW, Matt,
since when is Alexandria east of Cairo?

I tought on the History Channel they try to teach history, not
re-draw the maps....

snip


If you read up on those raids the planes stayed over target for a long
time.
The premise falsly made was that the IAF did not fly that many hours to
need
to have pilots to rotate inorder to rest.

Aha. I see.

And this places Alexandria due east of Cairo?

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

Tom Cooper wrote:
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in
message ...
Tom Cooper wrote:
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in
message ...


They flew several sorties over Port Alexandria well to the East of
Ciaro

BTW, Matt,
since when is Alexandria east of Cairo?

I tought on the History Channel they try to teach history, not
re-draw the maps....

snip


If you read up on those raids the planes stayed over target for a
long
time.
The premise falsly made was that the IAF did not fly that many hours
to
need
to have pilots to rotate inorder to rest.

Aha. I see.

And this places Alexandria due east of Cairo?

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

No but it does say they flew longer missions than you will admit to Jack!

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"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in message
...
Tom Cooper wrote:
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in
message ...
Tom Cooper wrote:
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in
message ...


They flew several sorties over Port Alexandria well to the East of
Ciaro

BTW, Matt,
since when is Alexandria east of Cairo?

I tought on the History Channel they try to teach history, not
re-draw the maps....

snip


If you read up on those raids the planes stayed over target for a
long
time.
The premise falsly made was that the IAF did not fly that many hours
to
need
to have pilots to rotate inorder to rest.

Aha. I see.

And this places Alexandria due east of Cairo?


No but it does say they flew longer missions than you will admit to Jack!


Jack, huh? How comes this? You said Alexandria is east of Cairo, not me...


But, OK. So, when did they fly such missions? In 1967 or 1973?

In 1967, namely, they flew attacks against places like Aswan, far in
southern Egypt, or against H-3, in western Iraq. That's much further away
from Israel than Alexandria (especially if you place it east of Cairo) -
except you put Aswan and H-3 also east of Cairo too, of course....

In 1973, however, they never flew over Alexandria (reagardless if it's east
of Cairo or not).

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

Tom Cooper wrote:
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in
message ...
Tom Cooper wrote:
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in
message ...
Tom Cooper wrote:
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in
message ...


They flew several sorties over Port Alexandria well to the East
of Ciaro

BTW, Matt,
since when is Alexandria east of Cairo?

I tought on the History Channel they try to teach history, not
re-draw the maps....

snip


If you read up on those raids the planes stayed over target for a
long
time.
The premise falsly made was that the IAF did not fly that many
hours to
need
to have pilots to rotate inorder to rest.

Aha. I see.

And this places Alexandria due east of Cairo?


No but it does say they flew longer missions than you will admit to
Jack!


Jack, huh? How comes this? You said Alexandria is east of Cairo, not
me...


But, OK. So, when did they fly such missions? In 1967 or 1973?

In 1967, namely, they flew attacks against places like Aswan, far in
southern Egypt, or against H-3, in western Iraq. That's much further
away from Israel than Alexandria (especially if you place it east of
Cairo) - except you put Aswan and H-3 also east of Cairo too, of
course....

In 1973, however, they never flew over Alexandria (reagardless if
it's east of Cairo or not).

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

Find that post liar. I never said that it was east only a longer mission.
Put up or shut up! You are a liar sob.

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"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in message
...


Find that post liar. I never said that it was east only a longer
mission.
Put up or shut up! You are a liar sob.

This is your own sentence:

They flew several sorties over Port Alexandria well to the East of Ciaro

I'm sorry that all the maps in my posession show Alexandria "well" to the
north-west of Cairo... But then, I'm a liar, and a SOB, and probably
everybody who ever printed any maps of that area too... Got to be some kind
of Egyptian conspiration: they put Alexandria north-west of Cairo on all of
the maps world-wide, while the city is "well to the east" of Cairo... I'm
sure not even Alexander would find the place any more, it's that well
concealled...

BTW, could you, a honest, knowledgeable, decent, and kind person as you are,
answer at least one of all the questions I asked you about?

For example, I'd like to learn, when where Soviet freighters attacked by
Israeli fighters while in Alexandria (regardless if east or west of Cairo),
during the Six Day War or in 1973, because this is an interesting topic for
me, you seem not to be able to agree with yourself when this happened, and I
never heard about this incident.

Oh, and, it would be good if you could supply this information before dying
of heart attack.

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

Tom Cooper wrote:
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in
message ...


Find that post liar. I never said that it was east only a longer
mission.
Put up or shut up! You are a liar sob.

This is your own sentence:

They flew several sorties over Port Alexandria well to the East of
Ciaro

I'm sorry that all the maps in my posession show Alexandria "well" to
the north-west of Cairo... But then, I'm a liar, and a SOB, and
probably everybody who ever printed any maps of that area too... Got
to be some kind of Egyptian conspiration: they put Alexandria
north-west of Cairo on all of the maps world-wide, while the city is
"well to the east" of Cairo... I'm sure not even Alexander would find
the place any more, it's that well concealled...

BTW, could you, a honest, knowledgeable, decent, and kind person as
you are, answer at least one of all the questions I asked you about?

For example, I'd like to learn, when where Soviet freighters attacked
by Israeli fighters while in Alexandria (regardless if east or west
of Cairo), during the Six Day War or in 1973, because this is an
interesting topic for me, you seem not to be able to agree with
yourself when this happened, and I never heard about this incident.

Oh, and, it would be good if you could supply this information before
dying of heart attack.

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

I stand corrected on that one error. However it still stands that the
missions over it were of a long duration, where the same planes and pilots
stayed over the target area, the port, for more time than most missions and
the pilots had to have releif when they landed, while the planes had to
continue flying. What about that sir? You claimed that they did not fly
that much as to need it. Comment on that if you will.

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