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report runway incursion non-towered airport?
Me: 240 hr PP-ASEL, minding my own business, doing touch & goes at an
untowered field, and scrupulously calling my position in every leg of the pattern. The offender: pilot of a small Citation jet. I saw the Citation taxiing toward the active as I was downwind. I watched the plane carefully (suspiciously) as there was never any transmission on the CTAF frequency. I listened to departure on my second radio; he/she wasn't on that frequency either. When I turned base, the Citation was at the hold short line adjacent to the active threshold. As I was on 1/4 to 1/2 mile final, the Citation suddenly took the runway and started the takeoff roll; nary a radio call was heard. Prepared for this, I did a 360, landed, and got the tail number from an airport employee. Should I report this to the FAA? If so, how? When in the course of an aviation career does someone become so complacent that they don't say "boo" before taking an active runway? We all see lots of idiot drivers on the road. I used to think aviation was different, both because the training is more rigorous and because the stakes are so much higher. With all the idiotic and careless mistakes I read about in NTSB accident reports, I'm beginning to wonder. Thanks for reading--I'm a little less upset after having written this down. |
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Report it to the FAA. That's the only way to get to these SOBs that
don't look outside and/or talk. |
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The offender: pilot of a small Citation jet.
Hmmm. Must be a rash of Citation-itis. On Thursday I had a similar thing happen, in Muscatine, IA . The wind was calm, but had recently favored Rwy 24 -- so that's the runway we chose. (I believe it's the calm-wind runway of choice in MUT as well.) I had just finished my run-up, and had announced that I was taking the runway for departure when a Citation pilot announced that HE was departing on the reciprocal runway, Rwy 06! In fact, squinting into the sun I could see that he was already sitting on the runway, facing me, way down at the other end, over a mile away. He had never said "boo" until that point, and his radio transmissions were VERY weak. Dunno if he was having trouble with the radio, or whether he simply hadn't announced, but there we sat on the runway, like opposing cars in a demolition derby. He then somewhat sheepishly asked if I would mind letting him go first, as he had a clearance delivery time he had to meet. Not being in any particular hurry, I rolled back onto the taxiway, but it was a very unusual -- and potentially disastrous -- situation that ended well. All I can say is: I'm glad *I* announced. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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so.. Tell us the N number. Inquiring minds wanting to know and all...
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Joe Johnson wrote: Should I report this to the FAA? If so, how? When in the course of an aviation career does someone become so complacent that they don't say "boo" before taking an active runway? I don't know how to report it, but if a pilot has that sort of attitude, he does not deserve to hold a commercial certificate. It's possible that he/she was on the wrong frequency, but I think a chat with the Feds is in order. George Patterson I prefer Heaven for climate but Hell for company. |
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The offender: pilot of a small Citation jet.
Hmmm. Must be a rash of Citation-itis. On Thursday I had a similar thing happen, in Muscatine, IA . The wind was calm, but had recently favored Rwy 24 -- so that's the runway we chose. (I believe it's the calm-wind runway of choice in MUT as well.) I had just finished my run-up, and had announced that I was taking the runway for departure when a Citation pilot announced that HE was departing on the reciprocal runway, Rwy 06! In fact, squinting into the sun I could see that he was already sitting on the runway, facing me, way down at the other end, over a mile away. He had never said "boo" until that point, and his radio transmissions were VERY weak. Dunno if he was having trouble with the radio, or whether he simply hadn't announced, but there we sat on the runway, like opposing cars in a demolition derby. He then somewhat sheepishly asked if I would mind letting him go first, as he had a clearance delivery time he had to meet. Not being in any particular hurry, I rolled back onto the taxiway, but it was a very unusual -- and potentially disastrous -- situation that ended well. All I can say is: I'm glad *I* announced. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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That's what I was thinking wrong frequency.
"George Patterson" wrote in message ... Joe Johnson wrote: Should I report this to the FAA? If so, how? When in the course of an aviation career does someone become so complacent that they don't say "boo" before taking an active runway? I don't know how to report it, but if a pilot has that sort of attitude, he does not deserve to hold a commercial certificate. It's possible that he/she was on the wrong frequency, but I think a chat with the Feds is in order. George Patterson I prefer Heaven for climate but Hell for company. |
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"Joe Johnson" wrote in message ... Me: 240 hr PP-ASEL, minding my own business, doing touch & goes at an untowered field, and scrupulously calling my position in every leg of the pattern. The offender: pilot of a small Citation jet. I saw the Citation taxiing toward the active as I was downwind. I watched the plane carefully (suspiciously) as there was never any transmission on the CTAF frequency. I listened to departure on my second radio; he/she wasn't on that frequency either. When I turned base, the Citation was at the hold short line adjacent to the active threshold. As I was on 1/4 to 1/2 mile final, the Citation suddenly took the runway and started the takeoff roll; nary a radio call was heard. Prepared for this, I did a 360, landed, and got the tail number from an airport employee. Should I report this to the FAA? If so, how? When in the course of an aviation career does someone become so complacent that they don't say "boo" before taking an active runway? A runway incursion is "any occurrence in the airport runway environment involving an aircraft, vehicle, person, or object on the ground that creates a collision hazard or results in a loss of required separation with an aircraft taking off, intending to take off, landing, or intending to land." It's a non-towered field so there's no separation requirement. Was there a genuine collision hazard? Would you have collided had you not done the 360? |
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What was that Form Number? Oh yea.. NASA Form 277.
You can get it at www.asa2fly.com and do a search on "NASA Form 277" It does not force an "enforcement action", but if contacted it might put the pilot on notice that he goofed. BT "Joe Johnson" wrote in message ... Me: 240 hr PP-ASEL, minding my own business, doing touch & goes at an untowered field, and scrupulously calling my position in every leg of the pattern. The offender: pilot of a small Citation jet. I saw the Citation taxiing toward the active as I was downwind. I watched the plane carefully (suspiciously) as there was never any transmission on the CTAF frequency. I listened to departure on my second radio; he/she wasn't on that frequency either. When I turned base, the Citation was at the hold short line adjacent to the active threshold. As I was on 1/4 to 1/2 mile final, the Citation suddenly took the runway and started the takeoff roll; nary a radio call was heard. Prepared for this, I did a 360, landed, and got the tail number from an airport employee. Should I report this to the FAA? If so, how? When in the course of an aviation career does someone become so complacent that they don't say "boo" before taking an active runway? We all see lots of idiot drivers on the road. I used to think aviation was different, both because the training is more rigorous and because the stakes are so much higher. With all the idiotic and careless mistakes I read about in NTSB accident reports, I'm beginning to wonder. Thanks for reading--I'm a little less upset after having written this down. |
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are radio calls mandatory on uncontrolled fields?
Joe Johnson wrote: Me: 240 hr PP-ASEL, minding my own business, doing touch & goes at an untowered field, and scrupulously calling my position in every leg of the pattern. The offender: pilot of a small Citation jet. I saw the Citation taxiing toward the active as I was downwind. I watched the plane carefully (suspiciously) as there was never any transmission on the CTAF frequency. I listened to departure on my second radio; he/she wasn't on that frequency either. When I turned base, the Citation was at the hold short line adjacent to the active threshold. As I was on 1/4 to 1/2 mile final, the Citation suddenly took the runway and started the takeoff roll; nary a radio call was heard. Prepared for this, I did a 360, landed, and got the tail number from an airport employee. Should I report this to the FAA? If so, how? When in the course of an aviation career does someone become so complacent that they don't say "boo" before taking an active runway? We all see lots of idiot drivers on the road. I used to think aviation was different, both because the training is more rigorous and because the stakes are so much higher. With all the idiotic and careless mistakes I read about in NTSB accident reports, I'm beginning to wonder. Thanks for reading--I'm a little less upset after having written this down. |
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