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Radio protocol regarding full stops on full stop only nights
Hi guys,
I was doing closed traffic at an unnamed airport with a 'No touch & goes at night' rule. On downwind, I made the following call (because I am aware of the rule) "XXX ground, Cherokee 1234 Sierra on downwind, request full stop." The tower responds back "Touch and goes are prohibited at night! Cherokee 1234 Sierra, cleared for full stop ONLY!" I had my instructor with me, and he said my call was fine. Was the tower being jerky? Or was there a better call I could have made? I knew about the rule, that's why I explicitly asked for full stop, but the tower acted like I had just soiled myself in public. I'm not too worried, just curious to hear what other people have done/would do in the same situation. Also, if there's a technically better call I can make, I'm all ears. |
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Ben Hallert wrote: snip I'm not too worried, just curious to hear what other people have done/would do in the same situation. Also, if there's a technically better call I can make, I'm all ears. I think the tower was probably being a little jerky about it. I could understand it if you'd asked for a touch an go, but apparently mentioning that you want a full stop when that's all that is available confused him. Better call? Well, if both you and the tower know that a full stop is imminent, don't mention it at all. Just tell him you're on downwind and he should respond with a landing clearance. John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) |
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I agree with jgalban...why did you mention it?
Bob Gardner "Ben Hallert" wrote in message oups.com... Hi guys, I was doing closed traffic at an unnamed airport with a 'No touch & goes at night' rule. On downwind, I made the following call (because I am aware of the rule) "XXX ground, Cherokee 1234 Sierra on downwind, request full stop." The tower responds back "Touch and goes are prohibited at night! Cherokee 1234 Sierra, cleared for full stop ONLY!" I had my instructor with me, and he said my call was fine. Was the tower being jerky? Or was there a better call I could have made? I knew about the rule, that's why I explicitly asked for full stop, but the tower acted like I had just soiled myself in public. I'm not too worried, just curious to hear what other people have done/would do in the same situation. Also, if there's a technically better call I can make, I'm all ears. |
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On downwind, I made the following call (because I
am aware of the rule) "XXX ground, Cherokee 1234 Sierra on downwind, request full stop." The tower responds back "Touch and goes are prohibited at night! Cherokee 1234 Sierra, cleared for full stop ONLY!" Was the tower being jerky? I doubt it. If in doubt, clarify. The tower may have been in doubt, perhaps because they were used to "the option", it was a day controller, or (ironically) the fact that you were explicit set of an alarm bell in the controller's mind which prevented him (or her) from processing what you actually said. I would have just responded "roger, full stop" and let it go. Jose -- Money: What you need when you run out of brains. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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"Ben Hallert" wrote in message oups.com... I was doing closed traffic at an unnamed airport with a 'No touch & goes at night' rule. Was it night at the time? On downwind, I made the following call (because I am aware of the rule) "XXX ground, Cherokee 1234 Sierra on downwind, request full stop." The tower responds back "Touch and goes are prohibited at night! Cherokee 1234 Sierra, cleared for full stop ONLY!" I had my instructor with me, and he said my call was fine. Was the tower being jerky? Or was there a better call I could have made? I knew about the rule, that's why I explicitly asked for full stop, but the tower acted like I had just soiled myself in public. I'm not too worried, just curious to hear what other people have done/would do in the same situation. Also, if there's a technically better call I can make, I'm all ears. |
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On 1 Feb 2005 14:04:21 -0800, "Ben Hallert"
wrote in .com:: I was doing closed traffic at an unnamed airport with a 'No touch & goes at night' rule. On downwind, I made the following call (because I am aware of the rule) "XXX ground, Cherokee 1234 Sierra on downwind, request full stop." The tower responds back "Touch and goes are prohibited at night! Cherokee 1234 Sierra, cleared for full stop ONLY!" I had my instructor with me, and he said my call was fine. I would agree with him, if you had called the tower instead of ground control. Was the tower being jerky? Not really. They were just getting the word out in case you might be unaware of the policy, IMO. Or was there a better call I could have made? There was no reason to _request_ a full stop. You are the PIC; you tell ATC what your intentions are. I'd have said, "XXX tower, Cherokee 34 Sierra, full stop." I knew about the rule, that's why I explicitly asked for full stop, but the tower acted like I had just soiled myself in public. They may have thought your calling them "tower" and your use of "request" meant you may not be aware of the full stop at night policy. I'm not too worried, just curious to hear what other people have done/would do in the same situation. Why would you be worried? We pilots and ATC personnel all have the same goal: safe operations. ATC isn't there to enforce regulations. Also, if there's a technically better call I can make, I'm all ears. As a student, you did fine. If you want to sharpen your radio technique a bit, and become more comfortable with ATC communications, let me respectfully suggest Bob Gardener's book "Say Again, Please." http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846 |
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I agree with the other comments but perhaps you should have requested a
"Stop and Go". The controller may have had a brain fart and not realized what you wanted. "Ben Hallert" wrote in message oups.com... Hi guys, I was doing closed traffic at an unnamed airport with a 'No touch & goes at night' rule. On downwind, I made the following call (because I am aware of the rule) "XXX ground, Cherokee 1234 Sierra on downwind, request full stop." The tower responds back "Touch and goes are prohibited at night! Cherokee 1234 Sierra, cleared for full stop ONLY!" I had my instructor with me, and he said my call was fine. Was the tower being jerky? Or was there a better call I could have made? I knew about the rule, that's why I explicitly asked for full stop, but the tower acted like I had just soiled myself in public. I'm not too worried, just curious to hear what other people have done/would do in the same situation. Also, if there's a technically better call I can make, I'm all ears. |
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Daniel L. Lieberman wrote:
... The controller may have had a brain fart ... I keep hearing this term "brain fart." Is this a product of butt heads? |
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The proper request would have been for a "stop & go".
On 1 Feb 2005 14:04:21 -0800, "Ben Hallert" wrote: Hi guys, I was doing closed traffic at an unnamed airport with a 'No touch & goes at night' rule. On downwind, I made the following call (because I am aware of the rule) "XXX ground, Cherokee 1234 Sierra on downwind, request full stop." The tower responds back "Touch and goes are prohibited at night! Cherokee 1234 Sierra, cleared for full stop ONLY!" I had my instructor with me, and he said my call was fine. Was the tower being jerky? Or was there a better call I could have made? I knew about the rule, that's why I explicitly asked for full stop, but the tower acted like I had just soiled myself in public. I'm not too worried, just curious to hear what other people have done/would do in the same situation. Also, if there's a technically better call I can make, I'm all ears. -- Jay. (remove dashes for legal email address) |
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"Jay Somerset" wrote in message ... The proper request would have been for a "stop & go". What airport prohibits touch and goes but allows stop and goes? |
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