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"Elmshoot" wrote in message ... Wow! Fun topic that I started... I forgot that the 2.75 wasn't refered to as a Zuni. I guess we just called it 2.75 rockets. Ed mentions another name, I have never heard them refered to as Micky Mouse. Back to the original question. Why were the 5" rockets called Zuni? I don't recall a ripple or salvo shot on the 2.75" but I do remember stuck fins they really went all over Sparky When I first went into the USAF in 1955 I spent several years in Air Defense Command and NORAD where some of the aircraft were armed with the 2.75" Folding Fin Aerial Rocket (FFAR) and I remember the nickname as being 'Mighty Mouse' but even more common was 'f far' or '2.75s'. I was surprised when I got to SEA in 1968 and found it was a common load on the F-105 (Q-pod on one outboard, LAU-3A on the other). If you want to see what has become of the 2.75 see http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...s/hydra-70.htm for the current model and http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ions/apkws.htm for the possible future. Regards, Tex Houston |
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The Canadian CRV-7 was termed the "Mighty Mouse", and was typically packed
into either LAU-5002's or LAU- 5003's (In the case of RNZAF A4's). Regards Mike "Jim Carriere" wrote in message ... "Pechs1" wrote in message I've blasted all 11(?) or so in one pod, of 2.75, on one wing, all at once. Really impressive, makes the A/C yaw...and they go all over the place, particularly if ya have one where all the fins don't come out. ! ! ! |
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Ed, '40 feet' was qualifying. But the pod rockets were sorry compared
to tube-launched ones out of the F86D and the F102. Rockets fired from the Dog and Deuce could hit about as good as strafing. Our target on Zulu-shima off Okinawa was 3 oil drums filled with sand stacked together. The Dog could hit the fool things. Also, firing on the rag, you could see the rockets cut a cross in it. We only fired 6 at a time, though. Fired the Deuce on Patricia Target about 40 miles west of Key West. It was an old WW2 destroyer beached by the Marquesas Keys. WE went down to Homestead for the Cuban Crisis. Once down there someone realized we needed the rocket tubes wired up - they'd clipped the leads when we got the GAR11/AIM26A (Fat Falcon). Once that was done, some kind soul decided they needed to be tested. So we fired each of our 20 Deuces twice on Pat Target - what? No practice rockets available? Okay, use ones with live warheads. Now, a 2.75 FFAR is equivalent to a 75mm HE round - when we got through, what had looked like the bridge of a ship was now a pile of scrap from. 20x12x2=480 rockets. (12 a sortie because the innermost 6 tubes -2 RX per tube- were lost because of the girth of the Gar11.) Last time I saw Pattie Target was in 1980 - it was a rusted layer of iron we had to chase fishermen off of to bomb it with the deadly BDU33s and Mk106s. Mel Fisher's boat marked the entry to the nuke run-in while salving the Atocha galleon. Walt BJ |
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:20:29 -0500, Pechs1 wrote:
Jim- What did a salvo launch look like? Was it a tight pattern, or were there a few strays? BRBR I've blasted all 11(?) or so in one pod, of 2.75, on one wing, all at once. Really impressive, makes the A/C yaw...and they go all over the place, particularly if ya have one where all the fins don't come out. An acquaintance of mine was an A4 driver in SEA. Said one time the mission he got the most satisfaction out of was flying cover for rescue packages. His favorite load out was a pile of Zunis. Said they tended to keep the enemies' head down like nothing else. IBM __________________________________________________ _____________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Accounts Starting At $6.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com The Worlds Uncensored News Source |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:15:31 GMT, "W. D. Allen Sr."
wrote: I know CEP but what is CEA? WDA Circular Error Probable--a prediction of accuracy. Circular Error Average--a record of delivery accuracy averaged. The CEP tells you what a weapon might do, the CEA tells you how well, I've been shooting. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" Smithsonian Institution Press ISBN #1-58834-103-8 |
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From the China Lake website:
"China Lake's 5-inch Zuni rocket was heavily used over the years. China Lake was the lead laboratory for the 2.75 and Zuni developments. The Zuni, as well as some other early unguided rockets, was originally conceived as an air-to-air weapon, but the rocket's role evolved into that of an air-to-ground weapon. Interestingly, the Zuni shot down a MiG-15 early in the Vietnam War when the MiG let itself get ahead of an A1 Skyraider that was trying to evade it. The Skyraider fired a Zuni and scored a hit. (circa 1956) " So in response to the original poster's question...I don't know why they called it Zuni, but someone who worked at China Lake in the 1950s would probably know the answer. Or perhaps a current day China Laker who is familiar with the history. JD |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:48:57 GMT, "Joe Delphi"
wrote: From the China Lake website: "China Lake's 5-inch Zuni rocket was heavily used over the years. China Lake was the lead laboratory for the 2.75 and Zuni developments. The Zuni, as well as some other early unguided rockets, was originally conceived as an air-to-air weapon, but the rocket's role evolved into that of an air-to-ground weapon. Interestingly, the Zuni shot down a MiG-15 early in the Vietnam War when the MiG let itself get ahead of an A1 Skyraider that was trying to evade it. The Skyraider fired a Zuni and scored a hit. (circa 1956) " Hope the China Lake folks aren't contending that MiG-15s were flying in the Vietnam War, or that the US was involved in combat in the air in 1956. That's the way urban legends get started. Should be a MiG-17, and much more likely "circa 1965". Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" Smithsonian Institution Press ISBN #1-58834-103-8 |
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"Joe Delphi" wrote in message
From the China Lake website: "China Lake's 5-inch Zuni rocket was heavily used over the years. China Lake was the lead laboratory for the 2.75 and Zuni developments. The Zuni, as well as some other early unguided rockets, was originally conceived as an air-to-air weapon, but the rocket's role evolved into that of an air-to-ground weapon." It was also used as an ASW weapon on the S2, as a replacement for the HVAR. I don't know if it was also carried by P2 and P3. For semi-annual quals we usually carried 2.75s in pods (7 or 9, IIRC). ROCKEXs were always interesting, as LANTFLT Stoofs were not generally seen as air-ground weapons platforms and support for that part of the aircraft's weapons system (material and personnel training) was often not a high priority. There seemed to be an about equal probablity of firing one, more then one, the whole pod, or just seeing the pod separate from the aircraft when the "R" button was pushed (becoming "White Death From Above" for whatever marine life was below). Interestingly, the Zuni shot down a MiG-15 early in the Vietnam War when the MiG let itself get ahead of an A1 Skyraider that was trying to evade it. The Skyraider fired a Zuni and scored a hit. (circa 1956) " As noted below they are about a decade off, here!g Bill Kambic If, by any act, error, or omission, I have, intentionally or unintentionally, displayed any breedist, disciplinist, sexist, racist, culturalist, nationalist, regionalist, localist, ageist, lookist, ableist, sizeist, speciesist, intellectualist, socioeconomicist, ethnocentrist, phallocentrist, heteropatriarchalist, or other violation of the rules of political correctness, known or unknown, I am not sorry and I encourage you to get over it. |
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Its been many moons since I fired a rocket (most inventories got combat
coded due to limited #s years ago), but... ....it was a Zuni pod at night, on the goggles -- ya-bleeping-hoo! When fired in singles or small numbers, 2.75s always sounded like bottle rockets (from the cockpit). Zunis were an entirely different animal. A technical question for those that might know -- refresh my aging memory -- isn't the Zuni motor the same as that used on the Sidewinder...? "Jim Carriere" wrote in message ... "Pechs1" wrote in message I've blasted all 11(?) or so in one pod, of 2.75, on one wing, all at once. Really impressive, makes the A/C yaw...and they go all over the place, particularly if ya have one where all the fins don't come out. ! ! ! |
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