Instrument training

On 5/19/2005 1:23 PM, Robert M. Gary wrote:

I'm exaggerating of course. It doesn't "suck" but its more fun to fly
when you can see outside. As a CFI I find instrument instruction *much*
easier than primary. Not only are the students more commited and
capable but its easier than actually flying IFR because you're not the
one trying to hold the plane right-side up.

-Robert, CFI


Well, I am often hit with the realization that there is stuff to
see out there. For example, I often here "Wow, that sure looks
nice tonight..." to which I just respond "I really wouldn't know" ;-)

Perhaps my CFII is really testing me, to be sure I'm not looking ;-)

During one flight, there was a traffic alert, and the CFII was unable
to spot the other airplane. He finally told me to "head for that
freeway over there". I had to laugh. I told him "Well, I have no
idea where that is, but based on the reported location of the
traffic, I'll fly heading XXX until you decide where you want to
vector me" ;-)

Boy ... I really am having fun!

--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Student
Sacramento, CA

xxx wrote:

I've got about 6 hours now and find it not the slightest bit
fun.

Others have mentioned the instructor as a possible issue. But I recall how,
early in my training, I tried several different "view limiting devices"
before I found one (Foggles) that I disliked the least.

As much as I did enjoy the IR training, I never grew to like the foggles.
It was especially bad when I got a new pair of glasses that were smaller in
the vertical dimension than my previous pair. The area blocked by the
foggles covered most of my corrected vision range.

In other words, I was now trying to read charts w/o vision correction.

Needless to say, I made a style change after that.

If you're lucky, once you get far enough into the training, you'll spend
more time in actual. That's not only good training, but also time free of
the foggles.

- Andrew

In rec.aviation.student Matt Barrow wrote:
"xxx" wrote in message
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I've got about 6 hours now and find it not the slightest bit
fun.

Can anyone remind me why I'm inflicting this on myself?
Because flying above the clouds, etc., is the second biggest thrill,
after sex.

Even tho second... "flying lasts LONGER than sex"!


Best regards,

Jer/ "Flight instruction and mountain flying are my vocation!" Eberhard

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CAP-CO Mission&Aircraft CheckPilot, BM218 HAM N0FZD, 227 Young Eagles!

and a beer!
God, I remember doing my IR... seems like it took forever.
Did most of it at night, in the winter.... shovel snow to get the hanger
open every night... freeze my butt off until the hood came on then sweat so
much that I'd demand that the heat be off and I'd have to peel down to my
shirt sleeves. Surprised I didn't catch pneumonia.

I think a big part of my willingness to keep going was that soaked shirt,
sigh of relief, and a beer with my instructor afterwards. I could always
depend on my instructor to either congratulate what I'd been doing right or
explain what I was doing wrong after each lesson. I always learned more
before and after the lesson than while in the airplane.

Jim

"Maule Driver" wrote in message
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I always finished my lessons with a soaked shirt and a sigh of relief.
Nothing better!

xxx wrote:
I've got about 6 hours now and find it not the slightest bit
fun.

Can anyone remind me why I'm inflicting this on myself?

xxx wrote:

I've got about 6 hours now and find it not the slightest bit
fun.

Can anyone remind me why I'm inflicting this on myself?


Can't say what your reasons are, but for me, you can't do Angel Flights
without the IR.

IR can be fun if you think of it as flying a spaceship - or maybe a
submarine - in that you get there by wit, skill, instruments and....

lots of ATC help ;^)


--
Saville

Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html

Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm

Steambending FAQ with photos:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm

On 5/19/2005 3:01 PM, gregg wrote:

xxx wrote:

I've got about 6 hours now and find it not the slightest bit
fun.

Can anyone remind me why I'm inflicting this on myself?


Can't say what your reasons are, but for me, you can't do Angel Flights
without the IR.

IR can be fun if you think of it as flying a spaceship - or maybe a
submarine - in that you get there by wit, skill, instruments and....

How funny! That's exactly how I've thought about it too!


lots of ATC help ;^)




--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Student
Sacramento, CA

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 5/19/2005 3:01 PM, gregg wrote:

xxx wrote:

I've got about 6 hours now and find it not the slightest bit
fun.

Can anyone remind me why I'm inflicting this on myself?


Can't say what your reasons are, but for me, you can't do Angel Flights
without the IR.

IR can be fun if you think of it as flying a spaceship - or maybe a
submarine - in that you get there by wit, skill, instruments and....

How funny! That's exactly how I've thought about it too!


lots of ATC help ;^)

Mark,

You're thinking like me?

Be afraid.... ;^)

--
Saville

Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html

Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm

Steambending FAQ with photos:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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xxx wrote:

If you're lucky, once you get far enough into the training, you'll spend
more time in actual. That's not only good training, but also time free of
the foggles.

Yea, flying under the foggles sucks.
Flying under IMC rocks. And you got to fly IMC if you want to realize how
worthless our sense of balance is without visual reference. I had read about
it before, but it wasn't until I flew IMC till I realized how much our
senses suck in that respect.

Roy Smith wrote:
Mark Hansen wrote:
I have to wonder, though, if spending any time on NDB skills really
makes sense these days. VOR, yes, but NDB???

Roy,

What are you asking? Am I interpreting my October 2004 ASA PTS wrong?
Can't the examiner choose an NDB IAP?

a.

"John Gaquin" wrote in
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"xxx" wrote in message

I've got about 6 hours now and find it not the slightest bit
fun.

Fun is what you make of it. It's hard at the start. If it were easy,
everyone would do it. The hard is what makes it worthwhile.


Can anyone remind me why I'm inflicting this on myself?

Just quit. If you really have to ask, you probably wouldn't
understand the reply.



It is certainly a valid question when you are spending thousands of dollars
to stare at a bunch of dials and needles. When you are new, you may not
know enough about it to realize the full potential of an IR. Think of it as
working out at the gym. When you are starting new, all you get is aches and
pains. When you get past that, you will start seeing the benefits of good
health.

As the other poster said, fun is what you make of it. Working out at the
gym is certainly not fun at first. But once you realize its value, and take
it on as a challenge, it will start to become fun.