Lot of noise being made about Purple Hearts

"BUFDRVR" wrote
Jeff B wrote:

You're either a masochist or an idiot to be envious of a PH winner.

Are Purple Hearts won?

No, not really they're awarded, but "recipient" or "awardee" were too long and
awkward.

I didn't know it was a competition!

It is; to kill or injure "them" before they can do the same to you.

Jeff B. (making light of one of his pet peeves)

I'm not crazy about the term "winner" being used as well, but it was easier...

There's two medals (and two license plates) I wouldn't want to advertise:

1) A purple heart medal
2) A POW medal

America has a fascination with people who were taken out of the war, and
people who have Air Medals, DFC, Silver Stars, Bronze Stars, etc, are
seen as baby killers, and not something you want them to put on their cars,
or résumé's...

If I was a POW, I sure wouldn't want anyone to know about it! Same with
being shot in the ass (General Patton, etc)...

"ArtKramr" wrote

War is hell.

But very profitable! Our company stock sharing plan is bursting
at the seams! I just got another 150 shares last week. I hope the
Sadr guy keeps it up for another couple of weeks, as I just about
have my farm paid off.

America has a fascination with people who were taken out of the war, and
people who have Air Medals, DFC, Silver Stars, Bronze Stars, etc, are
seen as baby killers, and not something you want them to put on their cars,
or résumé's...

What country do you live in?

"Tom Cervo" wrote
America has a fascination with people who were taken out of the war, and
people who have Air Medals, DFC, Silver Stars, Bronze Stars, etc, are
seen as baby killers, and not something you want them to put on their cars,
or résumé's...

What country do you live in?

Republic of Texas

"Tom Lacombe" wrote in message


Charlie, Attacking me isn't going to make Bush and Cheney look any
better. I didn't support Clinton as he was a draft dodger, just like
alot of the guys in the present administration. Now tell me what I
lied about. Peace!

At the time Clinton wasn't involved in politics so had no reason to tell
fibs to anyone but himself. Clearly he was unwilling to join the ranks
of those ready to kill for his country or for whatever other reason
people who get trained to kill kill for.

That makes him seem a lot more honest than dubya. Which is saying a lot
if not much.

So why is it so important that a man served in such a capacity as would
make him one of the most eligible for suicide in the history of great
military scandals?

How many Japanese soldiers killed themselves after WWII I wonder. The
statistics are that more US Vietnam Vets topped themselves after the war
than the total number of troops that were died in Vietnam.

Why is that statistic less interesting than what politicians did when
they were young and stupid?


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"Vince Brannigan" wrote in message


Ed. with all due respect why would a combat injury be necessarily
related to "incompetance" ? People are injured on ships all the itme in
circmstances over which they have no control.

How much respect is due I wonder to a man who thinks becoming the target
of quite a number of well trained gunmen is incompetence?

Or to put it another way. They only send children to war. Older and
wiser people won't go.



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"Michael Mcneil" wrote

Or to put it another way. They only send children to war. Older and
wiser people won't go.

Not true. The US Military won't take them.

In article
lgate.org, "Michael
Mcneil" wrote:

"Tom Lacombe" wrote in message


Charlie, Attacking me isn't going to make Bush and Cheney look any
better. I didn't support Clinton as he was a draft dodger, just like
alot of the guys in the present administration. Now tell me what I
lied about. Peace!

At the time Clinton wasn't involved in politics so had no reason to tell
fibs to anyone but himself. Clearly he was unwilling to join the ranks
of those ready to kill for his country or for whatever other reason
people who get trained to kill kill for.

That makes him seem a lot more honest than dubya. Which is saying a lot
if not much.

So why is it so important that a man served in such a capacity as would
make him one of the most eligible for suicide in the history of great
military scandals?

How many Japanese soldiers killed themselves after WWII I wonder. The
statistics are that more US Vietnam Vets topped themselves after the war
than the total number of troops that were died in Vietnam.

The cultural differences make it hard to draw a direct comparison. A
good many mid-level Army GHQ officers planned to commit suicide, but
Army Minister GEN Anami ordered them not to do so, because they were
needed for reconstruction. He told them his seppuku was the responsible
apology to the Throne.


Why is that statistic less interesting than what politicians did when
they were young and stupid?

Subject: Lot of noise being made about Purple Hearts
From: Psalm 110
Date: 8/15/2004 10:15 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:55:36 GMT, "Jay T. Beatty"
wrote:


Thats true as well. But I also think that the war effected everyone in
some way, we all paid a price of one kind or another.

The Story the SwiftLiars tell is there is a man in the water, Kerry
bugs out and all these boats with SwiftLiars stay but not one of them
helps the man in the water under fire, so Kerry comes back, and still
under fire Kerry saves the guys life. That's the story the SwiftLiars
tell. What they don't tell is why none of them got the guy under fire
out of the water themselves. I think the story falls apart at that
point.



Cowards always attack heroesespecially is it serves a political purpose.
Depend on it.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

On 16 Aug 2004 04:00:45 GMT, (Tom Cervo) wrote:

America has a fascination with people who were taken out of the war, and
people who have Air Medals, DFC, Silver Stars, Bronze Stars, etc, are
seen as baby killers, and not something you want them to put on their cars,
or résumé's...

What country do you live in?

Colorado USA. Here we have license plates dedicated to Purple Heart
recipients, POWs (free!), and "Honorably Discharged Veteran" (as if
that is some sort of rare achievement. We don't have recognition
plates for Silver Star, DFC, etc. We do, however, have a special plate
encouraging folks to adopt a greyhound.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
"Phantom Flights, Bangkok Nights"
Both from Smithsonian Books
***www.thunderchief.org