allowing guns in cockpits

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Veeduber wrote in
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On Jan 8, 12:11 pm, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:

And perfectly good academic research backs up your belief.
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Personal experience, too.

After Arizona passed its concealed carry law in the early 1990's their
precipitous drop in certain types of crime was matched by a rise in
those statistics here in southern California as the perps sought less
dangerous hunting grounds. Of course, the bleeding hearts insist that
can't be right... :-)



I'm not a bleeding heart . I have a gun and I would use it if I had to.
but arming every second asshole on the streets is not a way to stem violent
crime.



Bertie


Bertie,

There has yet to be, at least that I can find, a single case of the
holder of a CCW permit using his/her firearm in any way other than in
legal self defense. There is no good reason that a citizen of this
country who has no criminal history and has passed a training program
shouldn't be allowed to protect himself.

On Jan 9, 2:55*pm, Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-01-09, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

I'm not a bleeding heart . I have a gun and I would use it if I had to.
but arming every second asshole on the streets is not a way to stem violent
crime.

Why not? An armed society is a polite society.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC * * * * * * * * *http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com* * *http://www.tronguy.nethttp://www..hercules-390.org* * * * * * * (Yes, that's me!)
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Guy's

What the......

homicide rate per year per 100,000 inhabitants UK = 2.03 and US =
5.6....very polite

tim wrote:
On Jan 9, 2:55 pm, Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-01-09, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

I'm not a bleeding heart . I have a gun and I would use it if I had to.
but arming every second asshole on the streets is not a way to stem violent
crime.
Why not? An armed society is a polite society.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.nethttp://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
Buy Hercules stuff athttp://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

Guy's

What the......

homicide rate per year per 100,000 inhabitants UK = 2.03 and US =
5.6....very polite


What the....

Switzerland has 2/100,000 homicide rate and a very low crime rate overall.

Every male between 21 and 32 are issued an assault rifle and ammo and
are REQUIRED to keep them in their home. Older males may continue in a
reserve function and are issued a bolt operate rifle.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1566715.stm


Guns don't casuse crime. Poverty causes crime.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Veeduber wrote in
news:4c62a9f8-38bd-4a33-9582-

:

On Jan 8, 12:11 pm, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:

And perfectly good academic research backs up your belief.

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Personal experience, too.

After Arizona passed its concealed carry law in the early 1990's
their precipitous drop in certain types of crime was matched by a
rise in those statistics here in southern California as the perps
sought less dangerous hunting grounds. Of course, the bleeding
hearts insist that can't be right... :-)



I'm not a bleeding heart . I have a gun and I would use it if I had
to. but arming every second asshole on the streets is not a way to
stem violent crime.



Bertie


Bertie,

There has yet to be, at least that I can find, a single case of the
holder of a CCW permit using his/her firearm in any way other than in
legal self defense.

Good grief. You;'re serious, aren't you?

There is no good reason that a citizen of this
country who has no criminal history and has passed a training program
shouldn't be allowed to protect himself.


But he won't.


Bertie

Gig 601XL Builder wrote in
:

tim wrote:
On Jan 9, 2:55 pm, Jay Maynard
wrote:
On 2008-01-09, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

I'm not a bleeding heart . I have a gun and I would use it if I had
to. but arming every second asshole on the streets is not a way to
stem violent crime.
Why not? An armed society is a polite society.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC
http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com
http://www.tronguy.nethttp://www.hercules-390.org (Yes,
that's me!) Buy Hercules stuff
athttp://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

Guy's

What the......

homicide rate per year per 100,000 inhabitants UK = 2.03 and US =
5.6....very polite


What the....

Switzerland has 2/100,000 homicide rate and a very low crime rate
overall.

Every male between 21 and 32 are issued an assault rifle and ammo and
are REQUIRED to keep them in their home. Older males may continue in a
reserve function and are issued a bolt operate rifle.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1566715.stm


Guns don't casuse crime. Poverty causes crime.

Which would indicate it's not the armament but the godl teeth in the
basement that is keeping crime at bay.

Not to mention the fact that they gas litterbugs.

Bertie

Jay Maynard wrote in
:

On 2008-01-09, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
I'm not a bleeding heart . I have a gun and I would use it if I had
to. but arming every second asshole on the streets is not a way to
stem violent crime.

Why not? An armed society is a polite society.

No, it isn't.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder wrote in

Bertie,

There has yet to be, at least that I can find, a single case of the
holder of a CCW permit using his/her firearm in any way other than in
legal self defense.

Good grief. You;'re serious, aren't you?


Yes, I am. Do you have any info that contradicts my stance?



There is no good reason that a citizen of this
country who has no criminal history and has passed a training program
shouldn't be allowed to protect himself.


But he won't.



He won't what?

Gig 601XL Builder wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder wrote in

Bertie,

There has yet to be, at least that I can find, a single case of the
holder of a CCW permit using his/her firearm in any way other than
in
legal self defense.

Good grief. You;'re serious, aren't you?


Yes, I am. Do you have any info that contradicts my stance?

Yes, but I fear it'd be pointelss to introduce it to you.

FWIW, I diod cross post another thread from a k00k on RAM, and you need
not try and tell me he's an exception. Most gun nuts I've met are
wrapped Waaaaaaay too tight.



There is no good reason that a citizen of this
country who has no criminal history and has passed a training
program
shouldn't be allowed to protect himself.


But he won't.



He won't what?


Be able to defend himself.

I taught my wife to use the gun for self defence. Thought better of it,
then and provided her with some good alternatives that will be much more
effective on the day.



Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

I taught my wife to use the gun for self defence. Thought better of it,
then and provided her with some good alternatives that will be much more
effective on the day.


Not all people have the mental fortitude and personal discipline
to be competent with a firearm and be prepared to use it effectively
to defend themselves or another person. For them, alternatives
are better.

For that segment of society who have obtained a CCW permit, i.e.
have a clean criminal and mental bill of health & have taken
time for required training and discipline, the fact remains that
they overwhelmingly have a spotless record in terms of not
committing crimes and even saving lives and stopping criminals.

kontiki wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

I taught my wife to use the gun for self defence. Thought better of
it, then and provided her with some good alternatives that will be
much more effective on the day.


Not all people have the mental fortitude and personal discipline
to be competent with a firearm and be prepared to use it effectively
to defend themselves or another person. For them, alternatives
are better.

Well yes. The thing is if you pick one up for defence, you have to be
entirely setain that you will be able to use it to kill and you had also
better be prepared to use it effectively.
I am sure that fewer than 1% of the holders can make that claim.


For that segment of society who have obtained a CCW permit, i.e.
have a clean criminal and mental bill of health & have taken
time for required training and discipline, the fact remains that
they overwhelmingly have a spotless record in terms of not
committing crimes and even saving lives and stopping criminals.


Well, I know of one who killed his girlfriend in an argument over her
with another suitor.
She was 21, had a child with the intended victim.
Literally dozens of lives wrecked and one gone forever.

Multiply that by thousands every year.

Bertie