Non-Alcoholic Beers

It came up in another forum that O'Douls ( a non-alcoholic beer ) is not
truly non-alcoholic, but rather it's less then .5%. A reference to a
http://www.drugs.indiana.edu/publica...ne/lowalc.html tells
more and points out that these types of beverages are not considered
alcoholic beverages. The FAR in question is


§ 91.17 Alcohol or drugs.
(a) No person may act or attempt to act as a crewmember of a civil
aircraft --
(1) Within 8 hours after the consumption of any alcoholic beverage;
(2) While under the influence of alcohol;

which uses the term alcoholic beverage to describe the prohibited item
rather then consumption of alcohol as the item to be prohibited. So the
$64,000 is, is the consumption of 1 O'Douls a violation of 91.17 (a) (1).
While it may be considered splitting hairs, the FARs are quite adept at
that and so are the FAA lawyers.

MANDATORY WARNING: This is not a attempt to boost the sales or usage of
Non-Alcoholic beers, I'm just curious.

John Theune

I know the EAA doesn't allow alcoholic beverages to be sold at any
fly-ins. But at Sun-n-Fun every year O'Douls is dished out free of
charge to any participant regardless of age.

Doesn't that make it legit to consume and fly? I would not think so.



John Theune wrote:
It came up in another forum that O'Douls ( a non-alcoholic beer ) is not
truly non-alcoholic, but rather it's less then .5%. A reference to a
http://www.drugs.indiana.edu/publica...ne/lowalc.html tells
more and points out that these types of beverages are not considered
alcoholic beverages. The FAR in question is


§ 91.17 Alcohol or drugs.
(a) No person may act or attempt to act as a crewmember of a civil
aircraft --
(1) Within 8 hours after the consumption of any alcoholic beverage;
(2) While under the influence of alcohol;

which uses the term alcoholic beverage to describe the prohibited item
rather then consumption of alcohol as the item to be prohibited. So the
$64,000 is, is the consumption of 1 O'Douls a violation of 91.17 (a) (1).
While it may be considered splitting hairs, the FARs are quite adept at
that and so are the FAA lawyers.

MANDATORY WARNING: This is not a attempt to boost the sales or usage of
Non-Alcoholic beers, I'm just curious.

John Theune

Nick Funk wrote

I know the EAA doesn't allow alcoholic beverages to be sold at
any fly-ins. But at Sun-n-Fun every year O'Douls is dished out
free of charge to any participant regardless of age.

First, although every attempt is made to make it appear to
be an official EAA event, Sun-n-Fun is a privately held
corporation.
Second, as of this past year, real beer is now widely sold
on the Sun-n-Fun grounds.

Bob Moore

Tell that to the EAA crew that loads up the plane with bundles of cash
before the trip back to Wisconsin .

Before Sun-N-Fun, the SouthEastern flyin was held not to far from me
(Tullahoma, TN). They had it for a few years with great success. But the
organizers quickly learned who got to keep the cash. Dunno if SNF is the
same, but can't imagine it being much different the way that the EAA
promotes it.


"Robert Moore" wrote in message
. 8...
Nick Funk wrote

I know the EAA doesn't allow alcoholic beverages to be sold at
any fly-ins. But at Sun-n-Fun every year O'Douls is dished out
free of charge to any participant regardless of age.

First, although every attempt is made to make it appear to
be an official EAA event, Sun-n-Fun is a privately held
corporation.
Second, as of this past year, real beer is now widely sold
on the Sun-n-Fun grounds.

Bob Moore

One of those questions that keeps lawyers in business. There is no
definitive answer to that question. There is only a solution. The
solution for me is to decide what's more important, flying or drinking
O'Douls. And for me, that question is easy to answer.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.


"John Theune" wrote in message
1...
It came up in another forum that O'Douls ( a non-alcoholic beer ) is
not
truly non-alcoholic, but rather it's less then .5%. A reference to
a
http://www.drugs.indiana.edu/publica...ne/lowalc.html
tells
more and points out that these types of beverages are not considered
alcoholic beverages. The FAR in question is


§ 91.17 Alcohol or drugs.
(a) No person may act or attempt to act as a crewmember of a
civil
aircraft --
(1) Within 8 hours after the consumption of any alcoholic
beverage;
(2) While under the influence of alcohol;

which uses the term alcoholic beverage to describe the prohibited
item
rather then consumption of alcohol as the item to be prohibited. So
the
$64,000 is, is the consumption of 1 O'Douls a violation of 91.17 (a)
(1).
While it may be considered splitting hairs, the FARs are quite adept
at
that and so are the FAA lawyers.

MANDATORY WARNING: This is not a attempt to boost the sales or usage
of
Non-Alcoholic beers, I'm just curious.

John Theune

You cannot drink O'Douls less than 8 hours before flying because of
its (although low) alcohol content.

-Robert


John Theune wrote in message . 11...
It came up in another forum that O'Douls ( a non-alcoholic beer ) is not
truly non-alcoholic, but rather it's less then .5%. A reference to a
http://www.drugs.indiana.edu/publica...ne/lowalc.html tells
more and points out that these types of beverages are not considered
alcoholic beverages. The FAR in question is


§ 91.17 Alcohol or drugs.
(a) No person may act or attempt to act as a crewmember of a civil
aircraft --
(1) Within 8 hours after the consumption of any alcoholic beverage;
(2) While under the influence of alcohol;

which uses the term alcoholic beverage to describe the prohibited item
rather then consumption of alcohol as the item to be prohibited. So the
$64,000 is, is the consumption of 1 O'Douls a violation of 91.17 (a) (1).
While it may be considered splitting hairs, the FARs are quite adept at
that and so are the FAA lawyers.

MANDATORY WARNING: This is not a attempt to boost the sales or usage of
Non-Alcoholic beers, I'm just curious.

John Theune

"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

You cannot drink O'Douls less than 8 hours before flying
because of its (although low) alcohol content.

Hmmm. How low would the alcohol content have to be before you'd consider it
to cease to be relevant? 0.1%? 0.01%? 0.001%? Below measurable limits?

--
Mike Granby, PP-ASEL,IA
Warrior N44578
http://www.mikeg.net/plane

(Robert M. Gary) writes:

You cannot drink O'Douls less than 8 hours before flying because of
its (although low) alcohol content.

Great. Next I expect to see CNN air a scandalous video shot by a
passenger of a pilot consuming orange juice while flying.

--kyler

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
om...
You cannot drink O'Douls less than 8 hours before flying because of
its (although low) alcohol content.

Orange juice contains more alcohol than non-alcoholic beers. I'm not
grounding myself after a hearty breakfast of eggs, toast, grits and orange
juice.

Now that you know the truth about JOB, would you?

--
Jim Fisher

On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 16:24:57 -0500, "Jim Fisher"
wrote:


You cannot drink O'Douls less than 8 hours before flying because of
its (although low) alcohol content.

Orange juice contains more alcohol than non-alcoholic beers. I'm not
grounding myself after a hearty breakfast of eggs, toast, grits and orange
juice.

I am not going to drink any kind of beer if I am going flying within
8 hours.