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except that it must be a control seat, which I take to mean a seat with controls. To which FAR are you referring? Oh, you're gonna make me look it up. I find: 91.105 (flight crewmembers at stations). It does not mention "control seat"; I must have misremembered that. But it does imply that it must be a "station", by which I take it they mean a seat designed for and intended for a pilot or appropriate crewmember. I don't think the FAA would go for the idea that the passenger seat in the third row of a saratoga consititues a "station". Jose -- (for Email, make the obvious changes in my address) |
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Teacherjh wrote:
except that it must be a control seat, which I take to mean a seat with controls. To which FAR are you referring? Oh, you're gonna make me look it up. I find: 91.105 (flight crewmembers at stations). It does not mention "control seat"; I must have misremembered that. But it does imply that it must be a "station", by which I take it they mean a seat designed for and intended for a pilot or appropriate crewmember. I don't think the FAA would go for the idea that the passenger seat in the third row of a saratoga consititues a "station". Jose, OK, I was looking at 91.105 too, but thought there may have been an additional requirement somewhere else. Since it does not say "control seat", I believe the PIC therefore is not required to be at a control seat. Heavy iron pilots - correct me if I'm wrong, but the PIC of a 747 can ACT and LOG PIC while sleeping in his bed. Am I correct? Hilton |
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"Hilton" wrote
Heavy iron pilots - correct me if I'm wrong, but the PIC of a 747 can ACT and LOG PIC while sleeping in his bed. Am I correct? You are correct! Bob Moore |
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From: Anthony Acri )
Subject: Right Seat Flying Date: 2001-12-11 03:21:43 PST Does anybody know if there is any regulations about flying from the right seat? Would like to flyi from the right seat while taking some people up for sightseeing. Have been flying from the right when I have been doing my instructors courses. Thanks As a question, why would you want to place a passenger in the left seat? what purpose would it serve ? There are regulations pertaining to this, and if you are indeed doing your instructors rating you should have gained a reasonable knowledge of the FAR's and furthermore have an understaning of CRM. as we are all aware, many GA aircraft are equipped with "dual" controls and instumentation, however, depending on the aircraft the left seat is configured as the primary control station, with reduced/limited access from the right seat, limited further if a body is in that seat, limited even further if it is occupied by a non pilot. so again, what purpose would it serve to position a non pilot in the left seat and place yourself in the right seat, why would you want to limit access to full control of the aircraft. you may be able to find a loophole in the FAR's, renters policy or insurance requirements to allow you to do this "legally", though even posing the question indicates a complete failure to understand CRM and lack of professionalism. if i found one of my pilots acting in this manner he would never be in one of my cockpits again forthwith. |
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James M. Knox wrote:
"Bob Gardner" wrote in news:N8Dkc.5925$I%1.488195@attbi_s51: Yes, it is. It is published by J&S Media, Port Washington, NY. The author of the article containing the statement is Amy Laboda. That's a surprise...she is sharper than that. My thought exactly. Surely she knows better than that. Was there *any* other context that might change things. Such as not talking about the USA? Or talking about aircraft without dual controls? Nothing obvious. I sent an email to the editor and he forwarded it to Amy and cc'd me. I checked their web site (http://www.aviatorsguide.com/), but they have yet to post the latest issue online, so you all can't read the full article. I'm not sure why I'm receiving this publication as I didn't subscribe to it, but this is the second issue I've received. Matt |
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Hilton wrote:
Teacherjh wrote: except that it must be a control seat, which I take to mean a seat with controls. To which FAR are you referring? Oh, you're gonna make me look it up. I find: 91.105 (flight crewmembers at stations). It does not mention "control seat"; I must have misremembered that. But it does imply that it must be a "station", by which I take it they mean a seat designed for and intended for a pilot or appropriate crewmember. I don't think the FAA would go for the idea that the passenger seat in the third row of a saratoga consititues a "station". Jose, OK, I was looking at 91.105 too, but thought there may have been an additional requirement somewhere else. Since it does not say "control seat", I believe the PIC therefore is not required to be at a control seat. Heavy iron pilots - correct me if I'm wrong, but the PIC of a 747 can ACT and LOG PIC while sleeping in his bed. Am I correct? Hilton I believe this applies only to the ATP certficate, which a 747 captain certainly would hold. Matt |
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running with scissors wrote:
From: Anthony Acri ) Subject: Right Seat Flying Date: 2001-12-11 03:21:43 PST Does anybody know if there is any regulations about flying from the right seat? Would like to flyi from the right seat while taking some people up for sightseeing. Have been flying from the right when I have been doing my instructors courses. Thanks As a question, why would you want to place a passenger in the left seat? what purpose would it serve ? You might be helping a student pilot work on some procedures in between their lessons. I went back and re-read Amy's article and she did say student pilot, however, I don't see why it matters whether the left seat occupant is a student pilot or a non-pilot. I've never come across an FAR that says I can't fly from the right seat, no matter who is in the left seat or whether it is empty. Matt |
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"running with scissors" wrote in
message om... As a question, why would you want to place a passenger in the left seat? what purpose would it serve ? A few that come to mind... 1) For aerial photography flights in aircraft with only left opening windows 2) Returning to base with an inop PTT button on the left yoke 3) attaching a yoke mounted GPS so that it doesn't block the instruments directly in front of you on the panel 4) Demo-ing an aircraft to a potential buyer (who may not even be rated yet) |
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running with scissors wrote:
As a question, why would you want to place a passenger in the left seat? what purpose would it serve ? There are regulations pertaining to this, and if you are indeed doing your instructors rating you should have gained a reasonable knowledge of the FAR's and furthermore have an understaning of CRM. as we are all aware, many GA aircraft are equipped with "dual" controls and instumentation, however, depending on the aircraft the left seat is configured as the primary control station, with reduced/limited access from the right seat, limited further if a body is in that seat, limited even further if it is occupied by a non pilot. so again, what purpose would it serve to position a non pilot in the left seat and place yourself in the right seat, why would you want to limit access to full control of the aircraft. you may be able to find a loophole in the FAR's, renters policy or insurance requirements to allow you to do this "legally", though even posing the question indicates a complete failure to understand CRM and lack of professionalism. if i found one of my pilots acting in this manner he would never be in one of my cockpits again forthwith. You make it sound like some incredibly dangerous activity, but CFI's fly from the right seat all the time and are expected to be able to take over from that seat even if the student has gotten the plane into a spin or is in an unusual attitude in IMC. Why the terror about flying from the right? Reasons you might want to sit on the right include allowing the passenger to practice flying (not loggable toward a rating if you're not a CFI, but that may not be important to you or the passenger), and to practice for your CFI exam. If you don't feel competent to fly from the right or feel like there are important instruments or controls that you don't have access to, then you shouldn't do it. But viewing it as a "loophole" or "unprofessional" seems really over the top. -- David Rind |
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Brad Z wrote:
A few that come to mind... Another reason has to do with homebuilts. I have a COZY MKIV, set up for a left side PIC. Two weeks ago, I checked out a builder who has just finished his aircraft, will be flying from the left seat, and wanted some experience before doing his first flight. I checked myself out in the right seat a few days before, and then gave him 1.5 hours in the plane in the left seat, along with 6 TO/landings. While the main instruments and pitch trim switches are on the left, flying the COZY from the right seat is pretty much a non-event. -- Marc J. Zeitlin http://marc.zeitlin.home.comcast.net/ http://www.cozybuilders.org/ Copyright (c) 2004 |
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