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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:go9Sb.50241$U%5.270242@attbi_s03...
He has a great website, and I use it almost daily for one thing or another. I think their listing fee works out to something less than 60 cents a day -- something I was glad to pay for such a valuable service. I think its utility will be a lot less valuable once the "free" period has expired for all of the GA businesses. The beauty of the original site was that it had all available info about FBOs and fuel prices around the country and all of the info came directly from the horses mouths (us). Once the site is reduced to info about only businesses that paid up, it ceases to be the all encompassing, one-stop-shopping resource that it once was. I know more GA business owners who have declined to pony up, than those who have. One other issue I have with Airnav's new direction is what will Paulo do about a crappy business that offers poor service or rips off customers? If they pay their advertising fee, do they get negative comments removed from their listing? If not, why would they pay? And if that were the case, how would we find out about them? I know running Airnav costs money, I just think this new direction kills off the core of what made Airnav the best aviation site on the Internet. I'd rather see banner advertising to pay the bills. John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) |
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One other issue I have with Airnav's new direction is what will
Paulo do about a crappy business that offers poor service or rips off customers? If they pay their advertising fee, do they get negative comments removed from their listing? If not, why would they pay? I've wondered about that myself. Actually, I've always wondered how Paulo has survived putting negative comments on his website, without getting sued. There are some pretty graphic and acidic posts about some businesses. Someone with a mouth-piece and deep pockets could make Paulo's life very uncomfortable. Right after we bought the hotel, I found a bad review of our place on AirNav. It was, of course (!), from before we bought the place, and was a really nasty one, written by a guy who claimed that he was "told by a line-guy to avoid the place." Paulo of course removed it from his site when he heard we were the new owners, but THAT'S the kind of third-hand slander that could really get him in hot water, IMHO. I feel for Paulo. He's operated this website full-time for a couple of years, basically "on the house." Now that he's trying to actually make a buck, everyone is down his throat. I say if an FBO is too damned cheap to pay for their listing, that alone says enough to me that I will avoid the place. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"Kyler Laird" wrote in message ... (Ben Jackson) writes: It's amazing to watch all these people turn against AirNav. I'm not against it, it's just a far less valuable resource when the data is being filtered by who pays to be listed. I don't want to know just which FBOs and restaurants paid the protection money, I want to know them all. Yup, that's a good summary of my feelings. I'm also reluctant to put much effort into maintaining a proprietary resource. I think Airnav comments are very valuable and I've entered my share, but I don't like the idea of putting my effort into a database I don't control. (That goes for $100 Hamburger, Aeroplanner, AOPA, ... too.) I firmly believe that a public database to which everyone can contribute and from which everyone can draw is the answer. I'm quite willing to host a version of it. Anyone know if the basic FBO info that Airnav uses is public in some form? I haven't noticed it in the ATA-100 data. Hey folks! It's a free market. Build your own web site and do it YOUR way. Hell, there's a lot of web development types in here already. |
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In article , Kyler Laird
wrote: (Victor) writes: Maybe somebody with the right capabilities could build a mirror web site so we could publish the fuel prices. I've appreciated Airnav and have been sad to see the recent changes. I've been thinking of building an interface to Airnav that would allow people to submit prices/comments both to Airnav *and* a public repository simultaneously. (I'd provide an initial interface to it but everyone else would be welcome to the data.) Is there interest? --kyler or maybe let people post to rec.aviation.products, and provide a focused "google". Did that make any sense? -- Bob Noel |
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Kyler Laird writes:
I firmly believe that a public database to which everyone can contribute and from which everyone can draw is the answer. I'm quite willing to host a version of it. Hosting is one thing; developing and maintaining it are another. I'm all for public and open, but, like the open source movement, I wonder how the workers get compensated. |
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Bob Noel writes:
I've been thinking of building an interface to Airnav that would allow people to submit prices/comments both to Airnav *and* a public repository simultaneously. (I'd provide an initial interface to it but everyone else would be welcome to the data.) Is there interest? or maybe let people post to rec.aviation.products, and provide a focused "google". Did that make any sense? It makes a lot of sense to me and I'd normally be one of the first to suggest a Usenet-based solution. This time, however, it's not so clear that it's the best distribution medium. I can imagine collecting the prices and comments from posted messages, but it could get ugly fast - especially prices, if they're kept reasonably current. I like to encourage the use of Google, but I even worry about it being a proprietary database. I think it would be great, however, if someone built a mechanism to post comments and even significant price changes back to Usenet. Of course one of my biggest concerns about any such community-managed system is authentication. I'd like all comments to be signed in some form with a trust network so that we can easily separate the signal from the noise. I have ideas for that. --kyler |
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