The Lexington ATC was NOT doing traffic count after he cleared Comair 5191 for takeoff

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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Try 3-1-12. My secretary made a topo. I suspect you knew where it was,
though.


Of course I did. Are you going to answer my question?

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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If you don't know, I am not going to help you.


I'm trying to help you. Don't you want to learn?

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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Now you are just being your usual ass self.


No, I'm quite sincere. I think you're fibbin' about being a pilot.

Maybe you guys should ratchet down the personal diatribe and save it for the
real idiots.

"Newps" wrote in message
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No, it's not. I never listened to the tape, I just don't care. But, did
the controller call prior to takeoff for a release from the center or not?
This is completely different than a manual handoff.


The tape covers 42 minutes. There are transmissions from five different
aircraft on the tape, but the last two aircraft make all their transmissions
after Comair crashes. The controller doesn't call for an IFR release for
any aircraft, he calls ZID TMU for flow releases on two aircraft, SKW6819 to
ORD and COM191 ATL.



Handoff is completely different than getting a release. He may have had
to make a manual handoff because the automation was down. This happens
every night. The center basically does a control-alt-delete and restarts
their computers each night. For us Salt Lake does it after the last of
our cargo planes leaves at 1:30-2:00 am.


There was no manual handoff, the LEX tower controller called the ZID LEX
sector controller just once to coordinate a heading.

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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It would, of course, be a poor review to you.


I have nothing to do with it. Your review is poor because it shows things
that did not happen. The LEX controller never called ZID for a release of
any IFR departure during the period covered by the tape.



The point from an accident review standpoint is that he had those
activities.


Wrong. He did not have those activities, the ZID/LEX Letter of Agreement
states, "Aircraft may be cleared without coordination if Tower has a
computer flight plan."



They were some kind of handoff contact and, in the context of his
workload, that is all that is pertinent.


There was no handoff contact. The LEX ATCT controller called the ZID LEX
sector controller just once, to coordinate a heading. His workload was
light throughout the period covered by the tape.