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R22 training software or simulator??
Ive got a few hours several years ago in R22 and a 47 and want to continue
transition. Is there any interesting training or simulator software out currently?? Im not looking for a career, just personal use Rocky are you still watching this group?? regards JB |
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FS2004 has an R22 Beta II in it.
Dave Blevins On 17 Sep 2003 17:00:05 GMT, (EGWW) wrote: Ive got a few hours several years ago in R22 and a 47 and want to continue transition. Is there any interesting training or simulator software out currently?? Im not looking for a career, just personal use Rocky are you still watching this group?? regards JB |
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wrote in message ... FS2004 has an R22 Beta II in it. It does have an R22, but it flies nothing like a helicopter. Looks very much like an R22 but that's as far as it goes. Nobody is going to learn anything about controlling a helicopter from a home simulator, but a much closer flight model is X-Plane. Not perfect, but light years closer than FS2004. Regards Andrew -- Inweb Networks. Quality internet and telecoms services Sales: 08000 612222 Support: 08704322222. http://www.inweb.co.uk E1 call share - 65%. 0800, 0845 and 0870 numbers - best rates. Resellers welcome |
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I've flown the FAA approved stimulator that is in a trailer and based
on MS-Flightsim. Its pretty much bull****. The Jetranger model they have flys nothing like the real machine. The thing crashes when it should not, and doesn't kill you when it should. I did have a whole lot of fun shooting autos to rooftop helipads though, something I'd never get a chance to try in the realworld. About the only thing I can see being useful about that sim is practicing IFR procs. You can shoot a lot more approaches in one hour in a sim than you can in the real world. Bart |
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"Bart" wrote in message ... I've flown the FAA approved stimulator that is in a trailer and based on MS-Flightsim. Its pretty much bull****. The Jetranger model they have flys nothing like the real machine. The thing crashes when it should not, and doesn't kill you when it should. I did have a whole lot of fun shooting autos to rooftop helipads though, something I'd never get a chance to try in the realworld. About the only thing I can see being useful about that sim is practicing IFR procs. You can shoot a lot more approaches in one hour in a sim than you can in the real world. Bart I have 40 hours logged on R22 and 3 on R44 I've tried the flight model for helicopters in FS2002, FS2004, X-Plane and just recently Search and Rescue 4 (Demo). The best so far is Search and Rescue 4. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles of FS2004, but is much easier on system resources and the flight model is pretty good. There is no R22 in it though. Clive |
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:35:00 +0100, "Andrew Crane"
wrote: wrote in message .. . FS2004 has an R22 Beta II in it. It does have an R22, but it flies nothing like a helicopter. Looks very much like an R22 but that's as far as it goes. I disagree. It's not perfect by far - anti-torque pedal input is not really required to fly it - but it can teach some things. And wait - it's fun! Nobody is going to learn anything about controlling a helicopter from a home simulator, but a much closer flight model is X-Plane. Not perfect, but light years closer than FS2004. Disagree again. I have the most recent version of X-Plane, and it's sitting on the shelf. If I thought it was realistic I'd fly it a lot more. It's certainly a lot more *unstable* than FS2004 in the helicopters, but it sure doesn't feel like an R22 to me. FS2004 (and probably X-Plane) can help with *some* things, like pinnacle approaches and some of the very basic things like what the collective does, what the cyclic does. (I sure do wish it had better anti-torque pedal emulation.) Also, it gives an introduction to power management - take the R22 to a high-altitude airport in FS2004 and try to hover. It's difficult to do without pulling too much MP. With the right digital mesh (aka digital elevation data, some of which is freeware), it can also give a pilot a reasonable idea of what the terrain is like in a given region before flying there. And, as someone else said, it's an excellent IFR platform. I get tired of people dissing FS all the time - it's certainly not anywhere near a FlightSafety full-motion sim, but it has its uses and I enjoy flying the helicopters (and planes) in it quite a bit. --- BTW to the poster that likes SAR4 - I could not get my throttle/collective to work at all in that game. Do you have a separate throttle control, and if so is it USB or gameport? Dave Blevins |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:35:00 +0100, "Andrew Crane" wrote: BTW to the poster that likes SAR4 - I could not get my throttle/collective to work at all in that game. Do you have a separate throttle control, and if so is it USB or gameport? Dave Blevins Yes Dave Got my Throttle/Anti Torque to work no problem with my Logitech Wingman (Gameport on W2k) Clive |
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I hear alot that the ani-torque pedals specifically are poorly done in MSFS
2004. I am a fixed wing pilot, who probably will never have the funds to justify getting my helicopter rating, but I do fly the helicopters in MSFS for fu, and am curious what needs changing. I found the R22 to be way squirrly in yaw, but the rudder pedals on the Cessnas were way over the top also. Once I set up my pedals for what felt accurate in the airplanes, I discovered that I could handle the helicopter WAY better also. So my question is, am I cheating? In the real R22, are the pedals as touchy as the sim makes them without adjustment? How about the collective and cyclic controls. Again, I have everything set up for what seems closest in reality for the Cessnas, so every thing is a little toned down from the out of the box settings. |
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Microsoft flightsim is great and realistic. Use the bell 206. or download an
r-22 addon from simviation |
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"ChopperJon2" wrote in message ... Microsoft flightsim is great and realistic. Use the bell 206. or download an r-22 addon from simviation Microsoft Flightsim is nowhere near approaching realistic in its flight models of any helicopter. - c of g appears to be behind the tail - can't autorotate - flaring doesn't reduce descent - low rotor RPM doesn't affect lift, doesn't cause nose-down pitch - descent rate far too high on low collective - translational lift, VRS, t/r VRS, flap-back, and lots of other stuff not modelled etc, etc.. It's basically a plane that can take off vertically, not at all like a helicopter. Regards Andrew -- Inweb Networks. Quality internet and telecoms services Sales: 08000 612222 Support: 08704322222. http://www.inweb.co.uk E1 call share - 65%. 0800, 0845 and 0870 numbers - best rates. Resellers welcome |
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