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VOR Check question
I was told by an avionics guy that if a plane has VOR's they must be
accurate to file IFR, even if I file /G. FAR 91.171 says "(a) No person may operate a civil aircraft under IFR using the VOR system of radio navigation unless the VOR equipment of that aircraft..." I'm not debating the logic of having VOR's that are accurate, and I'm getting mine adjusted - but it seems to me if my means of navigation is an IFR certified GPS I do not have a legal responsibility to pass the VOR check. Am I right? Michael |
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On 7/22/2005 12:01, Michael 182 wrote:
I was told by an avionics guy that if a plane has VOR's they must be accurate to file IFR, even if I file /G. FAR 91.171 says "(a) No person may operate a civil aircraft under IFR using the VOR system of radio navigation unless the VOR equipment of that aircraft..." I'm not debating the logic of having VOR's that are accurate, and I'm getting mine adjusted - but it seems to me if my means of navigation is an IFR certified GPS I do not have a legal responsibility to pass the VOR check. Am I right? Michael You are also required to have available in the aircraft equipment necessary for navigation along your route, in the event GPS goes out. That sounds like VOR to me. -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Student Sacramento, CA |
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if you go to the AIM: 1-19-1, d. 1.
(b) Aircraft using GPS navigation equipment under IFR must be equipped with an approved and operational alternate means of navigation appropriate to the flight. So basically you MUST be able to complete the flight without GPS, so you'll probably need a VOR (checked) to be able to comply with that. "Michael 182" wrote in message ... I was told by an avionics guy that if a plane has VOR's they must be accurate to file IFR, even if I file /G. FAR 91.171 says "(a) No person may operate a civil aircraft under IFR using the VOR system of radio navigation unless the VOR equipment of that aircraft..." I'm not debating the logic of having VOR's that are accurate, and I'm getting mine adjusted - but it seems to me if my means of navigation is an IFR certified GPS I do not have a legal responsibility to pass the VOR check. Am I right? Michael |
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Mark Hansen wrote:
You are also required to have available in the aircraft equipment necessary for navigation along your route, in the event GPS goes out. That sounds like VOR to me. Not if you have the right GPS. But an unchecked VOR is technically not airworthy, so unless you're going to follow the procedures for inop equipment, it would be easier just to do it. |
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Ron Natalie wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: You are also required to have available in the aircraft equipment necessary for navigation along your route, in the event GPS goes out. That sounds like VOR to me. Not if you have the right GPS. But an unchecked VOR is technically not airworthy, so unless you're going to follow the procedures for inop equipment, it would be easier just to do it. Not so. VOR is still the primary means of navigation in the NAS. Even the latest and greatest airline aircraft with dual GPS sensors, dual FMSes, triple IRUs, etc, cannot be dispatched without operate VOR receivers (in their case two). The presumption is that the GPS system can fail at any time; at least in a given area. WAAS doesn't mitigate that whatsoever. |
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If you use the VOR for IFR navigation, 91.205(d)(2) makes 91.171 apply
to you. .... but (contrary to popular belief) there is no requirement under Part 91 (or Part 135) that says you have to have a VOR receiver to fly IFR. So, assuming you don't use it, you're right. |
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"Brien K. Meehan" wrote: If you use the VOR for IFR navigation, 91.205(d)(2) makes 91.171 apply to you. ... but (contrary to popular belief) there is no requirement under Part 91 (or Part 135) that says you have to have a VOR receiver to fly IFR. It's an indirect regulatory requirement because by FAA policy the primary means of IFR navigation in the NAS is by VOR. |
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Whoever told you it's an indirect regulartory issue was making it up.
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"Brien K. Meehan" wrote: Whoever told you it's an indirect regulartory issue was making it up. Well, okay, but I work with this stuff all the time. Here is from the current FAA Order 8260.19C: l. Dual Minimums. Enter dual minimums, when authorized. Do not publish dual minimums unless a 60-foot operational advantage is obtained or a reduction in visibility can be achieved. To avoid proliferation of dual minimums, *all IFR aircraft are assumed to have at least one VOR receiver*. Dual minimums based on a stepdown fix combined with local and remote altimeter settings could result in four sets of minimums. When two remote sources are used, treat the source resulting in lower minimums as the "LOCAL" altimeter setting source in the following paragraphs. Document only two sets of minimums. The combinations authorized are minimums with and without a stepdown fix; or minimums with local and remote altimeter settings. The words between the asteriks are reflective of FAA Class I navigation policy, which is a requirement to be a part of ICAO. And, from the FAA's Instrument Procedures Hanbook (available in Summit's Aviation Reference Library): In the broad concept of air navigation, there are two major categories of navigational operations consisting of Class I navigation and Class II navigation. Class I navigation is any en route flight operation conducted in controlled or uncontrolled airspace that is entirely within operational service volumes of ICAO standard NAVAIDs (VOR, VOR/DME, NDB). Class II navigation is any en route operation that is not categorized as Class I navigation and includes any operation or portion of an operation that takes place outside the operational service volumes of ICAO standard NAVAIDs. For example, your aircraft equipped only with VORs conducts Class II navigation when your flight operates in an area outside the operational service volumes of federal VORs/DMEs. Class II navigation does not automatically require the use of long-range, specialized navigational systems if special navigational techniques are used to supplement conventional NAVAIDs. Class II navigation includes transoceanic operations and operations in desolate and remote land areas such as the Arctic. The primary types of specialized navigational systems approved for Class II operations include inertial navigation system (INS), OMEGA, Doppler, and global positioning system (GPS). Figure 4-15 provides several examples of Class I and II navigation. |
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