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Old December 27th 04, 02:45 AM
JamesF1110
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pechs, you got me all excited with your last post. Here I thought I had the
new year at set, looking forward to your spot on posts with your signature
separate from the body of the post.... and then I read your next post. :-)

happy new year!
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Old December 27th 04, 01:22 PM
Allen Epps
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In article , Doug \"Woody\" and
Erin Beal wrote:

On 12/26/04 8:20 AM, in article
, "Pechs1"
wrote:

SNIP
BTW-I was on the third floor until about 4am on Sunday and I didn't see or
hear
anything that could remotely be construted as a gauntlet, sexual harassment
or
anytimg else that the flag or press or the bitch Schroeder talked about.


I was up there too (my first and only TH). The gauntlet was real. It was
down by the elevators around midnight to 1 AM. IIRC there was a huge crowd
most of the evening around the hall just dumping off of the elevators. I'd
avoided it all evening by going around the patio outside and cutting through
the suites to get to the far end of the hall.

At the time most of it was going on, I was "living in the past" at the
Training Wing suite catching up with old friends when a guy came down and
told us about the gauntlet and the goings on. Not good--groping,
molestation, one gal getting her shirt removed.

The DoD IG folks liked this story about 9 months later. One of the
investigators (bad cop) thought I knew more than I was willing to tell her.
I got pretty heated telling her that had I been there when the gauntlet was
running to see some gal have her blouse ripped off we'd be talking under
very different pretenses--namely assault--because I would have beaten the
tar out of the offending knucklehead(s) myself.

Some woman grabbed my ass when I walked by tho...


One of my favorite quotes from the NIS documents: "I was assaulted all
three times I walked through the gauntlet."

--Woody

We had 25 out of 28 officers in the squadron go to Hook 91. I spent
most of my timeout on the patio or the Prowler suite, walked out to the
patio once in time to see them cleaning up the glass from when someone
apparently pressed their butt cheeks against an upper window and broke
it. Other than that had enough ATM receipts to prove I spent too much
time in the casinos with buds.

The funniest part was the next year at Whidbey when the IG showed up
and herded us all over to the sim bldg for individual interrogations. I
had two advantages in that I didn't see or do anything wrong but their
techniques were pretty transparent to a bunch of SERE graduates. I
suspect they got nothing new.

Pugs
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Old December 28th 04, 01:30 AM
Mike Kanze
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Will,

The heavies were determined to have the last laugh though and hauled all
the Navy folks over to the Bolling AFB (for pity's sake) for
re-educati--err, "sensitivity" training provided courtesy a female
contractor


I guess when the Vietnamese did it to their folks (as they did post-1975) it
was "bad," but it's OK when we do it to our own.

--
Mike Kanze

"Never catch snowflakes with your tongue until ALL the birds have gone south
for the winter."

- Anonymous


"wdossel" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:52:36 GMT, "Doug \"Woody\" and Erin Beal"
wrote:

On 12/26/04 8:20 AM, in article
, "Pechs1"
wrote:

SNIP
BTW-I was on the third floor until about 4am on Sunday and I didn't see
or
hear
anything that could remotely be construted as a gauntlet, sexual
harassment or
anytimg else that the flag or press or the bitch Schroeder talked about.


I was up there too (my first and only TH). The gauntlet was real. It was
down by the elevators around midnight to 1 AM. IIRC there was a huge
crowd
most of the evening around the hall just dumping off of the elevators.
I'd
avoided it all evening by going around the patio outside and cutting
through
the suites to get to the far end of the hall.

(snip)

While I hadn't made it to that TH, I was in DC on my first joint tour
when the sh*t hit the fan. As one of the few wearing gold wings, the
heat was on, especially when it was learned I was a member of the
Association. Long story short, my Tail Hook membership still remains
unbroken back to '79 The heavies were determined to have the last
laugh though and hauled all the Navy folks over to the Bolling AFB
(for pity's sake) for re-educati--err, "sensitivity" training provided
courtesy a female contractor, who had never been in the military and
who proceeded to lecture the assembled gaggle of cretins about how
there was no difference between being deployed for 6+ months to a
combat zone (many had just come to shore duty from DS) and spending a
night in a fire station (her one "trying" circumstance when
questioned). The reaction form the assembled group was as priceless
as it was unprintable

Will Dossel
Last of the Steeljaws (VAW-122)




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Old December 28th 04, 06:57 AM
Doug \Woody\ and Erin Beal
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On 12/27/04 6:22 AM, in article ,
"Allen Epps" wrote:

We had 25 out of 28 officers in the squadron go to Hook 91. I spent
most of my timeout on the patio or the Prowler suite, walked out to the
patio once in time to see them cleaning up the glass from when someone
apparently pressed their butt cheeks against an upper window and broke
it. Other than that had enough ATM receipts to prove I spent too much
time in the casinos with buds.

The funniest part was the next year at Whidbey when the IG showed up
and herded us all over to the sim bldg for individual interrogations. I
had two advantages in that I didn't see or do anything wrong but their
techniques were pretty transparent to a bunch of SERE graduates. I
suspect they got nothing new.

Pugs


Yeah, Pugs, the post-'Hook '91 IG interviews/interrogations rank up there as
some of the dumbest stuff I've ever seen the Navy do.

--Woody

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Old December 28th 04, 03:08 PM
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Doug- Yeah, Pugs, the post-'Hook '91 IG interviews/interrogations rank up
there as
some of the dumbest stuff I've ever seen the Navy do.
BRBR


I think the dumbest was when 4 star Kelly(CINCPACFLT, I think) had every Naval
Aviator in the area go to the theater on North Island where he proceded to put
up young dear Paula's pic and whine about how we all failed HER!!

Yikes, people couldn't get out of the NAV quick enough, me included.
We would have been in genuine trouble if the likes of this putz was called upon
to lead in a shooting war.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer
 




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