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Commercial certificate question
I think I know the answer to this, but would like a second opinion.
Does FAR 61.129 (a)(3) (iii) and (iv) really require an instructor ride along on these two long VFR flights? I have over 600 hours TT and an instrument rating and plan to obtain my commercial certificate. however, in reviewing my logbook, I don't have any dual cross countries of this length during either the day or night. I find it hard to believe I need to cart along an instructor for this, but it seems to read as though these flights must be "training" flights. Any instructors able to confirm if I'm reading this correctly? Regards, Matt |
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On 11/4/2005 4:00 PM, Matt Whiting wrote the following:
I think I know the answer to this, but would like a second opinion. Does FAR 61.129 (a)(3) (iii) and (iv) really require an instructor ride along on these two long VFR flights? I have over 600 hours TT and an instrument rating and plan to obtain my commercial certificate. however, in reviewing my logbook, I don't have any dual cross countries of this length during either the day or night. I find it hard to believe I need to cart along an instructor for this, but it seems to read as though these flights must be "training" flights. Any instructors able to confirm if I'm reading this correctly? Regards, Matt My Examiner would say you are reading it correctly. I read it that any 2 hour flights would do, but he didn't. At my checkride, we had to hunt through my logbook to find a flight that qualified under iii. Fortunately I had once taken an instructor friend with me on a flight where I needed to use an airplane (Cherokee 6) that I wasn't fully checked out in. The DE maybe stretched a bit, but accepted that flight as meeting the requirement. |
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 22:00:51 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote: I think I know the answer to this, but would like a second opinion. Does FAR 61.129 (a)(3) (iii) and (iv) really require an instructor ride along on these two long VFR flights? I have over 600 hours TT and an instrument rating and plan to obtain my commercial certificate. however, in reviewing my logbook, I don't have any dual cross countries of this length during either the day or night. I find it hard to believe I need to cart along an instructor for this, but it seems to read as though these flights must be "training" flights. Any instructors able to confirm if I'm reading this correctly? The school I'm at and the DE we use would agree that the 2hr day and night CCs have to be logged as dual received since they are in the "flight training" section of the requirements (just went through this myself while reviewing the logbooks to make sure we're on track to meet the CP-AMEL requirements before scheduling the checkride). |
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No doubt about it, The flights are training flights, and must be done
with an authorized trainer, (CFI) On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:22:16 -0500, Peter Clark wrote: On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 22:00:51 GMT, Matt Whiting wrote: I think I know the answer to this, but would like a second opinion. Does FAR 61.129 (a)(3) (iii) and (iv) really require an instructor ride along on these two long VFR flights? I have over 600 hours TT and an instrument rating and plan to obtain my commercial certificate. however, in reviewing my logbook, I don't have any dual cross countries of this length during either the day or night. I find it hard to believe I need to cart along an instructor for this, but it seems to read as though these flights must be "training" flights. Any instructors able to confirm if I'm reading this correctly? The school I'm at and the DE we use would agree that the 2hr day and night CCs have to be logged as dual received since they are in the "flight training" section of the requirements (just went through this myself while reviewing the logbooks to make sure we're on track to meet the CP-AMEL requirements before scheduling the checkride). |
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Yup, the night before my commercial checkride, I had to do a dual night
crosscountry with an instructor`. Rip Matt Whiting wrote: I think I know the answer to this, but would like a second opinion. Does FAR 61.129 (a)(3) (iii) and (iv) really require an instructor ride along on these two long VFR flights? I have over 600 hours TT and an instrument rating and plan to obtain my commercial certificate. however, in reviewing my logbook, I don't have any dual cross countries of this length during either the day or night. I find it hard to believe I need to cart along an instructor for this, but it seems to read as though these flights must be "training" flights. Any instructors able to confirm if I'm reading this correctly? Regards, Matt |
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yes... they have to be training received from a CFI
one day, one night, and they have to be VFR.. using the IFR ticket to get down through the soup at the other end is a disqualifying factor.. divert to a VFR field.. the idea is that you have planned, flown and navigated to "commercial standards" I did mine with a very dark launch one morning.. landing before sunrise at the other end. Had breakfast at the airport diner and then flew back in day light. BT "Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... I think I know the answer to this, but would like a second opinion. Does FAR 61.129 (a)(3) (iii) and (iv) really require an instructor ride along on these two long VFR flights? I have over 600 hours TT and an instrument rating and plan to obtain my commercial certificate. however, in reviewing my logbook, I don't have any dual cross countries of this length during either the day or night. I find it hard to believe I need to cart along an instructor for this, but it seems to read as though these flights must be "training" flights. Any instructors able to confirm if I'm reading this correctly? Regards, Matt |
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Your DE definitely stretched that one in your favor because your CFI
had no idea that he was giving you commercial XC instruction. Hunting through the logbook to find a flight to fits the FAR description is a poor way to start a checkride. It has to be clearly written. I usually write in my students' logbooks "Commercial VFR-XC" so that there is no ambiguity later. |
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I think you mean 'landing one hour before sunrise'. An hour within
sunrise does not qualify as night. |
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I think you mean 'landing one hour before sunrise'. An hour within
sunrise does not qualify as night. Actually it's civil twilight, which is about half hour the dark side of sun thresholding, depending on latitude. Jose -- Money: what you need when you run out of brains. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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"Jose" wrote in message m... Actually it's civil twilight, which is about half hour the dark side of sun thresholding, depending on latitude. The FAA uses different definitions of "night" in different situations. For purposes of currency "night" is the period beginning 1 hour after sunset and ending 1 hour before sunrise. |
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