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Leopard 2 Still the Best
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M-1A2 is dogmeat. Leo 2 has: - anti-top attack missile protection- M1A2 doesn't - modular, spaced, and laminate armor plus reinforced inner turrret and Kevlar liners for crew protection- M1A2 doesn't - a 1,550 hp turbodiesel which gets better gas milage, consumes less fuel and air, and has a reduced heat signatire- M1A2 doesn't - DM 53 ammo plus L55 main gun- just as lethal as M1A2 with L44 copy and DU round - been adopted by most of Europe- M1A2 rejected in every Euro-trial Rob |
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From: (robert arndt)
Date: 6/17/2004 9:31 AM Central Daylight Time Message-id: http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl...de/english/ind ex.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DKMW,%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG M-1A2 is dogmeat. Leo 2 has: - anti-top attack missile protection- M1A2 doesn't - modular, spaced, and laminate armor plus reinforced inner turrret and Kevlar liners for crew protection- M1A2 doesn't - a 1,550 hp turbodiesel which gets better gas milage, consumes less fuel and air, and has a reduced heat signatire- M1A2 doesn't - DM 53 ammo plus L55 main gun- just as lethal as M1A2 with L44 copy and DU round - been adopted by most of Europe- M1A2 rejected in every Euro-trial Rob You got all that by the manufacturer's brochure? Amazing, but it doesn't say that. I suppose you have other verifiable cites and sources other that your usual UFO sites? Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:47:23 -0600, Scott Ferrin wrote:
On 17 Jun 2004 07:31:01 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote: http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl...UTF-8%26sa%3DG M-1A2 is dogmeat. Leo 2 has: Sounds like a sore loser if I ever heard one. - anti-top attack missile protection- M1A2 doesn't Such as? - modular, spaced, and laminate armor plus reinforced inner turrret and Kevlar liners for crew protection- M1A2 doesn't According to that report you've been siting so much the M1A2's is better still. But hey, the Leopard II is good enough for forth place. - a 1,550 hp turbodiesel which gets better gas milage, consumes less fuel and air, and has a reduced heat signatire- M1A2 doesn't And can be heard for how many miles? the agt1500 engine in the abrams has been out of production since like 1992, and is 1960's technology. and the reliability and cost problems relate to this. its like fixing the engine of a B-52. Even though the crusader is cancelled their is talk ofalso putting its engine into the abrams. here is a little info on the engine. http://www.geae.com/engines/military...objective.html and dont forget that unlike diesel, you can use almost anything as fuel in the M1 info on the agt1500 turbine engine. http://www.honeywellaerospace.com/pd...500Turbine.pdf - DM 53 ammo plus L55 main gun- just as lethal as M1A2 with L44 copy and DU round Because you say so? Doubtful the thing is even as effective as an L44 with the M829A2 let alone the M829E3. - been adopted by most of Europe- M1A2 rejected in every Euro-trial Most likely because they go into hysterics every time they think about DU armor. Rob |
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"robert arndt" skrev i melding m... http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl...UTF-8%26sa%3DG M-1A2 is dogmeat. Leo 2 has: - anti-top attack missile protection- M1A2 doesn't - modular, spaced, and laminate armor plus reinforced inner turrret and Kevlar liners for crew protection- M1A2 doesn't - a 1,550 hp turbodiesel which gets better gas milage, consumes less fuel and air, and has a reduced heat signatire- M1A2 doesn't - DM 53 ammo plus L55 main gun- just as lethal as M1A2 with L44 copy and DU round - been adopted by most of Europe- M1A2 rejected in every Euro-trial Rob But it flies like ****....! |
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In message , robert
arndt writes http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl....de/english/in dex.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DKMW,%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG M-1A2 is dogmeat. Which presumably explains the dismal failure of the Abrams family every time they're sent into combat, compared to the stellar fighting history and long combat experience of the Leo2s? Now personally I'd say the Challenger 2 has some minor edges over the M1A2 as well as vice versa (like CR2 has an APU under armour, more ammunition and so on) but that both tanks (and the Leo2 as well, actually) were damn good vehicles to take into combat and the differences are largely a matter of preference and style. -- He thinks too much: such men are dangerous. Julius Caesar I:2 Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk |
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"robert arndt" wrote in message m... http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl...UTF-8%26sa%3DG M-1A2 is dogmeat. Leo 2 has: - anti-top attack missile protection- M1A2 doesn't - modular, spaced, and laminate armor plus reinforced inner turrret and Kevlar liners for crew protection- M1A2 doesn't - a 1,550 hp turbodiesel which gets better gas milage, consumes less fuel and air, and has a reduced heat signatire- M1A2 doesn't - DM 53 ammo plus L55 main gun- just as lethal as M1A2 with L44 copy and DU round - been adopted by most of Europe- M1A2 rejected in every Euro-trial Rob But how many will fit in a EU heavy transport plane? |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:04:44 -0700, "Zamboni"
wrote: "robert arndt" wrote in message om... http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl...UTF-8%26sa%3DG M-1A2 is dogmeat. Leo 2 has: - anti-top attack missile protection- M1A2 doesn't - modular, spaced, and laminate armor plus reinforced inner turrret and Kevlar liners for crew protection- M1A2 doesn't - a 1,550 hp turbodiesel which gets better gas milage, consumes less fuel and air, and has a reduced heat signatire- M1A2 doesn't - DM 53 ammo plus L55 main gun- just as lethal as M1A2 with L44 copy and DU round - been adopted by most of Europe- M1A2 rejected in every Euro-trial Rob But how many will fit in a EU heavy transport plane? Same as a Leopard II- none. :-) |
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From: "Zamboni"
Date: 6/21/2004 1:04 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: "robert arndt" wrote in message om... http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl...de/english/ind ex.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DKMW,%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG M-1A2 is dogmeat. Leo 2 has: - anti-top attack missile protection- M1A2 doesn't - modular, spaced, and laminate armor plus reinforced inner turrret and Kevlar liners for crew protection- M1A2 doesn't - a 1,550 hp turbodiesel which gets better gas milage, consumes less fuel and air, and has a reduced heat signatire- M1A2 doesn't - DM 53 ammo plus L55 main gun- just as lethal as M1A2 with L44 copy and DU round - been adopted by most of Europe- M1A2 rejected in every Euro-trial Rob But how many will fit in a EU heavy transport plane? What EU heavy transport planes? Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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On 17 Jun 2004 07:31:01 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:
http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl...UTF-8%26sa%3DG M-1A2 is dogmeat. Leo 2 has: - anti-top attack missile protection- M1A2 doesn't - modular, spaced, and laminate armor plus reinforced inner turrret and Kevlar liners for crew protection- M1A2 doesn't - a 1,550 hp turbodiesel which gets better gas milage, consumes less fuel and air, and has a reduced heat signatire- M1A2 doesn't - DM 53 ammo plus L55 main gun- just as lethal as M1A2 with L44 copy and DU round - been adopted by most of Europe- M1A2 rejected in every Euro-trial Rob Euro trial?? You must be kidding. The Leo is a nice tank, but it is not, rpt not, "superior" to the M1. Guderian is dead, get over it. Al Minyard |
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