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AOPA
Casey,
The AOPA is a mixed blessing for glider pilots. It is by far the best aviation advocacy group (perhaps in the world), and they appear to provide beneficial services to individual members. But they advocate selectively. And glider pilots are so far down the list, it would be easier to measure from the bottom up. I suppose if glider pilots joined en masse, then lifted their pens in one voice, the org could provide very valuable services. But having tested existing services several times in the past few years (W73 housing encroachment and TFR issues), I have to admit that I was left thoroughly unimpressed. In the simplest terms, the AOPA and its current leadership does not recognize sport aviation as a separate, valid interest. I'm sure they would debate this, but their actions, from my point of view, argue otherwise. |
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I did get a break on my glider insurance for being
an AOPA member that exceeded the cost of my membership.jeffAt 15:18 28 May 2004, Chris Ocallaghan wrote:Casey,The AOPA is a mixed blessing for glider pilots. It is by far the bestaviation advocacy group (perhaps in the world), and they appear toprovide beneficial services to individual members. But they advocateselectively. And glider pilots are so far down the list, it would beeasier to measure from the bottom up. I suppose if glider pilotsjoined en masse, then lifted their pens in one voice, the org couldprovide very valuable services. But having tested existing servicesseveral times in the past few years (W73 housing encroachment and TFRissues), I have to admit that I was left thoroughly unimpressed.In the simplest terms, the AOPA and its current leadership does notrecognize sport aviation as a separate, valid interest. I'm sure theywould debate this, but their actions, from my point of view, argueotherwise. |
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On the subject of AOPA, has anyone else been telephoned by AOPA and asked for a
donation to their safety program? I don't mind being solicited for donations, as I think it's a worthwhile program, but I'd must prefer that they MAIL me info and an envelope rather than calling me on the telephone. That just seemed weird to me. Has anyone else been approached by phone? |
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"Shirley" wrote in message ... On the subject of AOPA, has anyone else been telephoned by AOPA and asked for a donation to their safety program? I don't mind being solicited for donations, as I think it's a worthwhile program, but I'd must prefer that they MAIL me info and an envelope rather than calling me on the telephone. That just seemed weird to me. Has anyone else been approached by phone? I have received phone calls relating to the AOPA safety program and AOPA life insurance. Wayne http://www.soaridaho.com/ |
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"Shirley" wrote in message ... On the subject of AOPA, has anyone else been telephoned by AOPA and asked for a donation to their safety program? I don't mind being solicited for donations, as I think it's a worthwhile program, but I'd must prefer that they MAIL me info and an envelope rather than calling me on the telephone. That just seemed weird to me. Has anyone else been approached by phone? Easy to fix. I am an AOPA member (and think that it is a very good organization) but was also bothered by the same thing. A single (polite but firm) e-mail got me on their "do not call list" and years later, still no calls. Vaughn |
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"Wayne Paul" wrote in message ... I have received phone calls relating to the AOPA safety program and AOPA life insurance. Wayne http://www.soaridaho.com/ I joined AOPA in Jan 2003, but let it lapse this year. I didn't get anything out of it other than a nice magazine with little or no relevant information wrt soaring. I also found out that I don't qualify for their life insurance program, as you must hold a valid medical cert. to qualify...and since I don't need one for soaring, I didn't want to be bothered...just tack it onto the premiums and it gets to be not such a good deal (if you don't have to have it for other pursuits). |
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Exactly.
I've been a member for many years and was never bothered by phone, I opted out of all phone offers. I receive some of them via regular mail, and every now and then I contribute to the AOPA Air Safety Foundation for the following reasons : -I regularly attend their safety seminars, which are the best I've seen in the country, very well prepared with excellent speakers and to the point. -I benefit from the ASF's "Safety Advisors", which are very well written in an easy to read format (about the size of a Magazine but with only 4 to 8 pages) and with excellent illustrations. The one about "Operation in towered airports" is awesome, as is the one about "Operations in Non-towered airports", and "Airspace for Everyone", "Collision Avoidance", or "Maneuvering flight". Check them out at http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/advisors.cfm -The Skyspotter program, the Flight Instructor Renewal courses, and many others. -The AOPA website is a huge source of information and training, and it also contains an archive of AOPA magazine articles. I belive in contributing for the continuation of all these things that serve us all so well, and I will continue to be a member and contribute when I can. This is the second time they show something about Soaring in recent times, and we would do well to create a "Soaring" department or chapter inside the AOPA. It carries an enormous weight. AP "Vaughn" wrote in message ... "Shirley" wrote in message ... On the subject of AOPA, has anyone else been telephoned by AOPA and asked for a donation to their safety program? I don't mind being solicited for donations, as I think it's a worthwhile program, but I'd must prefer that they MAIL me info and an envelope rather than calling me on the telephone. That just seemed weird to me. Has anyone else been approached by phone? Easy to fix. I am an AOPA member (and think that it is a very good organization) but was also bothered by the same thing. A single (polite but firm) e-mail got me on their "do not call list" and years later, still no calls. Vaughn |
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"Atacdad" wrote in message ... I also found out that I don't qualify for their life insurance program, as you must hold a valid medical cert. to qualify... Yes, that also bothers me, and I think that it is something that could be easily fixable if we made enough noise. In fact, it could be something that the SSA HQ could fix with a friendly phone call. Actually, with the new medical-free Sport Pilot license on the horizon, it may be a problem that will take care of itself. Don't know about the rest of the country, but here in South Florida, we have a steady diet of AOPA-sponsored safety meetings. Sometimes it is hard to find a seat. |
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Interesting perspectives....mostly related to being bothered by phone
solicitations. Also interesting that no one seemed to want to comment upon the fact that they published an article about sailplane racing. I would say that in doing so they are showing interest in our sport and would like to see that as a positive step and reluctant to be so critical. You may have noted that I never said that the AOPA was the best representative of soaring. What I did say and what I will stand behind is that they are the best resource out there for protecting and preserving our rights to fly freely in the USA. I also have an example of what they have not done here in Arizona but also have others of what they have done. I challenge you to find any other organization with as much clout with the US government and with as many examples as they have of assisting in preventing the closer of airports and in keeping the feds off our backs in the US. As far as I'm concerned you are sticking you head in the sand if you think that just wishing for representation from the SSA or other organizations will be as effective. Powered pilots share a common goal with glider pilots wrt these issues and there are many more of them so my hope is that by join forces that we can be even more effective and eventually get better representation for our sport. Naysayers flame away! Casey Lenox KC Phoenix |
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"Kilo Charlie" kilocharlie wrote:
Interesting perspectives....mostly related to being bothered by phone solicitations. Also interesting that no one seemed to want to comment upon the fact that they published an article about sailplane racing. I would say that in doing so they are showing interest in our sport and would like to see that as a positive step and reluctant to be so critical. [snip] I challenge you to find any other organization with as much clout with the US government and with as many examples as they have of assisting in preventing the closer of airports and in keeping the feds off our backs in the US. Why so defensive? Speaking only for myself, since I think I'm the first one who mentioned phone solicitations, I couldn't agree more about AOPA's clout, presence, and contribution to aviation. I SAID that I was not opposed to contributing to the ASF, as I feel it is extremely worthwhile (yes, I have attended in the past and hope to again). My comment was *solely* about the practice of telephone solicitation for $$ from its members which, while it may be the fastest, easiest and cheapest way to solicit funds, I still feel is the tackiest way for an organization that otherwise presents itself so professionally to approach its members for money. In these times when strangers from often bogus companies are constantly and repeatedly interrupting you in your own home at all hours asking you for $$, it's just sad, IMO, for *AOPA* to be among them. As for the article, of course it's a good thing whenever AOPA Pilot magazine includes articles about gliders/soaring. The article and photos in the June 2002 issue by AOPA associate editor Julie Boatman that described her introduction to gliders/soaring at Estrella Sailport (Arizona) was another wonderful example of articles that help promote the interest of power pilots who make up the largest percentage of the AOPA membership. No organization is perfect in every way. There will always be critics and naysayers ... the mention of phone solicitation wasn't meant (by me anyway) as a criticism of AOPA's work or of its worth as a resource to aviators. --Shirley (also near Phoenix) |
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