Night Currency

Doug Campbell wrote:
Practicing for my IFR, with a safety pilot (required crewmember)
I am not current at night. Can we fly this way, and achieve
currency? Not a passenger, since he is required crew.

Not an issue for my partner, we both need to get current
and trust each other's ability. Is it legal?

Acting and logging PIC are two completely different things. Having said
that... If you are not night current, your friend can ACT as PIC, you log
the landings, he logs nothing (assuming no hood work involved). The
complexity you add with the hoodwork is not required. The person acting as
PIC needs to have a current medical, have any required endorsements, be
current in whatever is required (in this case 'night'). The person logging
the time only needs to be rated in the aircraft, he/she does not need a
current medical, endorsements, or be current at 'night' (in this case).

I have purposely ignored FBO, insurance, etc requirements - make sure you
are still insured with the (ACTING) PIC in the right seat, unless you want
to risk it financially.

Hilton

Robert M. Gary wrote:
The insurance deals with "pilot flying" and doesn't care one bit about
who is "PIC". PIC is an FAA thing. If a unqualified pilot has their
hands on the controls the insurance isn't going to pay regardless of
who is PIC.

Can you back up these claims?

Hilton

Jonathan wrote:
That is a point I had overlooked early on. I was only logging my night
landings, since most of those flights commenced earlier during daylight.

A question I still wonder is, If I only have night landings logged,
would
I still be current to land at night, but just not to take off? or do I
need
both night Takeoffs and night landings logged even if I only want to land
at night (with pax). Again, most of my flights which end in a night
landing, are just day-long trips where I get home late. It is a real pain
to
make special trip to airport after dark just to practice night takeoffs.

What are your collective thoughts on this subject?

You need both night takeoffs and night landings to qualify - the FARs spell
this out very clearly. 61.57 says (in part):

"(b) Night takeoff and landing experience. (1) Except as provided in
paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of an
aircraft carrying passengers during the period beginning 1 hour after sunset
and ending 1 hour before sunrise, unless within the preceding 90 days that
person has made at least three takeoffs and three landings to a full stop
during the period beginning 1 hour after sunset and ending 1 hour before
sunrise"

Hilton

In article ,
Robert M. Gary wrote:
go missed. During training we often tell approach "full stop" and then
tower "touch n go".

Or tell approach you're going missed and do a touch n go.

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

"Hilton" wrote in
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
The insurance deals with "pilot flying" and doesn't care one bit about
who is "PIC". PIC is an FAA thing. If a unqualified pilot has their
hands on the controls the insurance isn't going to pay regardless of
who is PIC.

Can you back up these claims?

It's simple. The insurance company will do everything it legally (or not
so legally) can to prevent paying. That's what insurance companies do.

--
Regards,

Stan

"Jonathan" wrote in message
news:TB2jb.563532$cF.240565@rwcrnsc53...
That is a point I had overlooked early on. I was only logging my night
landings, since most of those flights commenced earlier during daylight.

A question I still wonder is, If I only have night landings logged,
would
I still be current to land at night, but just not to take off? or do I
need
both night Takeoffs and night landings logged even if I only want to land
at night (with pax). Again, most of my flights which end in a night
landing, are just day-long trips where I get home late. It is a real pain
to
make special trip to airport after dark just to practice night takeoffs.

What are your collective thoughts on this subject?

Look at FAR 61.57b. Even if you take off before nightfall and stay aloft
until after dawn, you still can't have a passenger on board unless you meet
the night-currency condition, which requires takeoffs as well as landings.

--Gary



"Teacherjh" wrote in message
...

Actually, for night currency, they must be *Stop & Go*s, not just T&Gs
by FAR 61.57(b)


And an often overlooked point, takeoffs are included. You can have a
logbook
full of daytime takeoffs and night landings, and they don't help a bit
without
night takeoffs.

Jose

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Stan Gosnell wrote in message ...
"Hilton" wrote in
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
The insurance deals with "pilot flying" and doesn't care one bit about
who is "PIC". PIC is an FAA thing. If a unqualified pilot has their
hands on the controls the insurance isn't going to pay regardless of
who is PIC.

Can you back up these claims?

It's simple. The insurance company will do everything it legally (or not
so legally) can to prevent paying. That's what insurance companies do.

My point exactly. Why give them an angle? Best case, it will delay
your payment - worst case, they may not pay.

"Hilton" wrote in message link.net...
Robert M. Gary wrote:
The insurance deals with "pilot flying" and doesn't care one bit about
who is "PIC". PIC is an FAA thing. If a unqualified pilot has their
hands on the controls the insurance isn't going to pay regardless of
who is PIC.

Can you back up these claims?

My policy (AIG) says..
"This insurance does not apply under any coverage c) When the aircraft
is in flight ii) if piloted by anyone other than 1) the pilot(s)
specified in Item 5".

It says nothing about PIC (although later says there must also be a
qualified PIC as well).

Call Mark at SouthWestAviation. http://www.southwestaviation.com .
He's been in the business for a couple decades and used to work for an
underwriter. He's had many such cases. He'll tell you that the FAA's
concept of "PIC" is not what the insurance co is looking at.

(Ben Jackson) wrote in message .net...
In article ,
Robert M. Gary wrote:
go missed. During training we often tell approach "full stop" and then
tower "touch n go".

Or tell approach you're going missed and do a touch n go.

That would require you go missed. We're trying to save time here.

Robert M. Gary wrote:

My policy (AIG) says..
"This insurance does not apply under any coverage c) When the aircraft
is in flight ii) if piloted by anyone other than 1) the pilot(s)
specified in Item 5".

I had USAIG until this year when I switched but anyone who is current
and authorized by me can fly the plane. A person did not have to be
named to fly the plane. If I'm in the plane it also does not matter
that my 5 year old is driving.