Commercial certificate question

The FAA uses different definitions of "night" in different situations. For
purposes of currency "night" is the period beginning 1 hour after sunset and
ending 1 hour before sunrise.

Thanks. I stand corrected. And cautioned.

Jose
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you are correct in that statement.. landed at the appropriate timing..
and there still was no hint of a dawn on the eastern horizon

BT

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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I think you mean 'landing one hour before sunrise'. An hour within
sunrise does not qualify as night.

BTIZ wrote:
yes... they have to be training received from a CFI
one day, one night, and they have to be VFR.. using the IFR ticket to get
down through the soup at the other end is a disqualifying factor.. divert to
a VFR field..

the idea is that you have planned, flown and navigated to "commercial
standards"

I did mine with a very dark launch one morning.. landing before sunrise at
the other end.
Had breakfast at the airport diner and then flew back in day light.

I've been thinking the same think in reverse. Fly to an airport late in
the day, have supper and then return at night.

Just seems like a whacky requirement to me at this point in my flying
career. :-)

Matt

Andrew Sarangan wrote:

I think you mean 'landing one hour before sunrise'. An hour within
sunrise does not qualify as night.


I think the one hour rule is only for night currency. I believe the
civil twilight definition of night is appropriate for logging night
flight. I think Yodice recently covered this is some detail in AOPA Pilot.


Matt

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Jose" wrote in message
m...

Actually it's civil twilight, which is about half hour the dark side of
sun thresholding, depending on latitude.



The FAA uses different definitions of "night" in different situations. For
purposes of currency "night" is the period beginning 1 hour after sunset and
ending 1 hour before sunrise.



Yes, but this isn't a currency flight, this is a training flight for
logging night flight time, so I think the civil twilight definition is
appropriate.


Matt

I've been thinking the same think in reverse. Fly to an airport late in
the day, have supper and then return at night.

Just seems like a whacky requirement to me at this point in my flying
career. :-)

Matt

whacky requirement? Maybe..
but all applicants have to be trained to the same level, whether 250hrs or
1000hrs
have you received training IAW the commercial training standards for cross
country flying
and as part of that training to include divert procedures..

BT

BTIZ wrote:
I've been thinking the same think in reverse. Fly to an airport late in
the day, have supper and then return at night.

Just seems like a whacky requirement to me at this point in my flying
career. :-)

Matt


whacky requirement? Maybe..
but all applicants have to be trained to the same level, whether 250hrs or
1000hrs
have you received training IAW the commercial training standards for cross
country flying
and as part of that training to include divert procedures..

I've diverted for real a number of times while in IMC and dealing with
thunderstorms and ice. I just don't see the description in the
commercial PTS to be all that challenging. :-)


Matt

You are correct. One hour is for night landing currency as spelled out
in FAR 61, but end of twilight is how 'night' is defined in FAR 1.

I believe the regs were written in the days when commercial pilot
candidates did not always have an instrument rating. Nowadays the
commercial xc is a rather silly requirement.

It is not night landing currency, it is night passenger-carrying currency.
It applies equally to a flight begun more than one hour before sunrise with
a landing in day conditions.

And it is not end of twilight, it is end or beginning of civil twilight.


"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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You are correct. One hour is for night landing currency as spelled out
in FAR 61, but end of twilight is how 'night' is defined in FAR 1.