GP 15 Jeta

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 6:30:18 PM UTC-7, Mike N. wrote:
Eric,
Why do you care what these guys think anyway?

It was your decision to make the investment and you sound like you knew the potential risks going in.

So who gives a ****e what anyone of the above detractors think?

In the end only time will tell if you made a good decision. You've indicated based on your experience you are currently ok continuing to wait. And as it's your money it's really no one else's business, even if it doesn't work out.

Certainly some parts of the more rational portions of the discussion above are worthwhile to caution other potential investors.

Personally I hope things do move forward for you. It would be great to see this glider get into production. However only time will tell, everything is pure speculation.

"Only time will tell" is the last refuge of a scoundrel - there are a lot of red flags visible right now about the GP-15 that make me shudder. The registration issue itself is a huge one. And a business that must finance itself off of its customers is a poorly run business.

Tom

Dave Nadler wrote on 6/27/2020 6:07 PM:
On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 10:20:43 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
I'm expecting my GP15 to be at least a month delayed.

Huh? Say WHAT? When was delivery originally promised to you?

The following applies regardless of whether one discusses GP or other vendors.
I really do wish GP the best, might even have ordered one except I already
have too many electric-powered gliders (maybe someday I'll get it flying again,
after most recent failure in March, after repairing prior failure last fall).
Anyway...

The "at least a month delayed" was from whatever delivery date would have been
achieved before the corona virus shutdowns in Poland and countries were the
factory has supplier. I know glider delivery dates, especially for new models from
any manufacturer, tend to drift into the future.

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Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
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At 03:27 28 June 2020, 2G wrote:
And a business that must finance itself off of its customers is a poorly
run business.

I think most business schools would say that a business that can get its
customers to pay up front is brilliant! Cash is king.

Jim

On 6/28/20 4:23 AM, Jim White wrote:
At 03:27 28 June 2020, 2G wrote:
And a business that must finance itself off of its customers is a poorly
run business.

I think most business schools would say that a business that can get its
customers to pay up front is brilliant! Cash is king.

Jim


Certainly! If you can get people to pay up front, then never deliver
the product, it dramatically improves the profit margin. Roofers have
been using that strategy for years.

On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 12:17:49 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
I know glider delivery dates, especially for new models from
any manufacturer, tend to drift into the future.

So they do.
I've waited on average some years after initial "promises".
Only once had one show up ~on time (even a bit early).
Don't sell the current glider until the new one is on the boat!
Of course, if getting a motorglider, you need a spare glider anyway...

https://www.edkilbourne.com/lyrics---cloudbase.html

Look up Ed Kilbourne's "The New Glider Blues" (aka "The LS-22 Song") if you think delays are a new phenomenon...

On 6/29/20 1:06 PM, wrote:
https://www.edkilbourne.com/lyrics---cloudbase.html

Look up Ed Kilbourne's "The New Glider Blues" (aka "The LS-22 Song") if you think delays are a new phenomenon...


It's not just the delays. How many times can you tell a customer his
glider is coming out of the molds next week? After a couple years, that
line starts to wear thin.

Do folks really sell their gliders so that they can pay deposit on a glider which was not built yet, knowing how common big delays are even with the most established factories? Why would anyone do that? If you really must sell your glider to buy another, buy a used glider. So many great used gliders in like new conditions out there which you can buy instantly. If you really want a brand new glider you never seen before, than you should be able to afford the financial risk and be able to keep your glider meanwhile. Otherwise it does not make sense neither financially nor flying wise.
Personally I think the GP15 sounds great, I will wait until they fly around for few years and are available for resale.

Ramy

Out of curiosity has anyone heard of the status of the AS-34 or perhaps placed an order for one? While it may not have the claimed performance of a GP15 at least its from a manufacturer with a long track record of building sailplanes.

On 6/29/20 4:21 PM, Ramy wrote:
Do folks really sell their gliders so that they can pay deposit on a glider which was not built yet, knowing how common big delays are even with the most established factories? Why would anyone do that? If you really must sell your glider to buy another, buy a used glider. So many great used gliders in like new conditions out there which you can buy instantly. If you really want a brand new glider you never seen before, than you should be able to afford the financial risk and be able to keep your glider meanwhile. Otherwise it does not make sense neither financially nor flying wise.
Personally I think the GP15 sounds great, I will wait until they fly around for few years and are available for resale.

Ramy



Not necessarily to pay a deposit. GP was offering discounts for paying
upfront for the gliders. Everyone loves a discount, right? For someone
wanting to move up to a motorglider and marginally able to afford it,
they might think selling the existing glider and taking the discount was
a good idea. In hindsight, they probably wouldn't do it again.

Nadler says to wait until the new glider is on the boat before selling
the old one. Maybe good enough for a mainline vendor, but with certain
less established vendors, maybe should wait until it's on the boat,
delivered, CoA issued, and half a dozen test flights under your belt.