The F-102 Delta Dagger (Was GWB as a Nat'l Guard Fighter Pilot threads.)

Question on the F-102:

When the pilot went to fire missiles, he presumably had to open the
missile-bay doors.

Could this be done at supersonic speeds, or what speed did he have to
slow to?

all the best -- Dan Ford
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"Hittile", a missile so accurate that it doesn't need a Proximity
Fuze, that menasn that they couldn't get one to work, and thas are
trying to make a feature out of a bug.)

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Cub Driver writes:

Question on the F-102:

When the pilot went to fire missiles, he presumably had to open the
missile-bay doors.

Could this be done at supersonic speeds, or what speed did he have to
slow to?

According to my copy of the F-102A Dash One, there are no limits on
opening the bay doors that don't apply to the rest of teh airplane.

Dan, I've got an electronic Copy of the F-102S Standard Aircraft
Characteristics Chart. Would that be useful to you?
Among other things, it includes graphical representations of the
flight enveloped adn stuff like speed/range tradeoffs.

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Pete Stickney
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bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

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Kevin Brooks wrote:

No argument there. But were the *Rb-27's* still in service after the
eighties?

Sure. The J 35J rebuild programme ran from 1987-91 and
it's not logical to upgrade them to better use(*) a certain
missile if it's going out of service. Also, it's not hard to
find photos of Finnish Drakens from the 90's with RB 27s
(so I think the real RB 27 retirement date is 2000).

*The armament upgrades we Improved gun installtion
(which could be noted in a certain other thread here), air
to air rocket capability (again, after being deleted on
the J 35F), two more wet pylons and two more Sidewinder
only pylons and ability to employ _all missile types_ head up
or head down.
To me, it's obvious Draken needed a radar guided
missile, otherwise it couldn't be a full capability stand
in for Viggen. Why the IR RB 28 was retained I've never
gotten a very clear answer to, only a slightly evasive
"it's better for some situation".
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(Peter Stickney) wrote:
Cub Driver writes:

Question on the F-102:

When the pilot went to fire missiles, he presumably had to open the
missile-bay doors.

Could this be done at supersonic speeds, or what speed did he have to
slow to?

According to my copy of the F-102A Dash One, there are no limits on
opening the bay doors that don't apply to the rest of teh airplane.

Also, the missile bay doors themselves housed the F-102's 24 2.75-inch
folding fin rockets.

Kevin Brooks wrote:

No argument there. But were the *Rb-27's* still in service after the
eighties? If so, Andreas needs to change his info...

Ok, ok, so I did :-) ... I don't know why I _ever_ thought that certain
printed sources provided reliable information ;-)

Andreas

Dan, I've got an electronic Copy of the F-102S Standard Aircraft
Characteristics Chart. Would that be useful to you?
Among other things, it includes graphical representations of the
flight enveloped adn stuff like speed/range tradeoffs.

Pete, that would be great. Send email to and
I'll reply with my home address. Thanks!

all the best -- Dan Ford
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"Mark T. Evert" wrote in message
...

OK. I have seen the debate over GWB as an F-102 pilot, so I was
wondering
about a couple of things.

First, was the F-102 taken out of service in the early 1970s?

Yes....the Duece as it was called in Air Force circles was phased out of
most National Guard units in the early 70's. I recall the Pennsylvania
National Guard replacing them with A7 Corsairs while in Texas they were
replaced with F101 VooDoos.

Second, if GWB was trained on the F-102, and had asked about other
planes,
would he have been assigned to the -106 or was Texas going to a
different
fighter?

The Texas Guard transitioned to the F101 Voodoo which they flew till the
early 80's when they moved to the F4 and now they fly F16's

Somewhere around 1979-1980, we at Luke, were training the Texas ANG to fly
F4Cs.

"Alan Minyard" wrote in message
...

The six also had an area-ruled fuse, that is significant for a +mach bird.

As did the Deuce.

"David Hartung" wrote in message
...

"Mark T. Evert" wrote in message
...

The Texas Guard transitioned to the F101 Voodoo which they flew till the
early 80's when they moved to the F4 and now they fly F16's

Somewhere around 1979-1980, we at Luke, were training the Texas ANG to
fly
F4Cs.

Wednesday evening I'm having dinner in a resturant part of which is a former
Texas Air National Guard (K)C-97.

Tex