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A380 hard landing at Oshkosh - video
"Darkwing" wrote
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/excl...re2009_AirbusA 380_HardLanding_200850-1.html Firm... yes, but not near as bad as Gryder makes it out to be. Now...if the wheels had bounced off the runway, that would probably be classified as a hard landing. Remember, in order to meet the certification standards, the transport category aircraft must be able to land with a 600fpm sink rate at MLGW and with a 360fpm sink at MTOGW. This aircraft was nowhere near those numbers. Gryder's comment about the aircraft still being useable is more befitting a comedian than an aviation professional. Bob Moore ATP B-707 B-727 PanAm (retired) |
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A380 hard landing at Oshkosh - video
Safety first, and in a crosswind situation, it's safest to "plant" the
plane. Even more so if you have a limited runway in front of you. Those two super pilots who comment have seen an A380 for the first time, yet they've become instant experts. Just cheap Airbus bashing. |
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"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote in message
... http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/excl..._200850-1.html Yowser! Well, speaking just for myself: That video really underscores the reasons for my irritation about web based videos--both the You Tube variety and the Webinar Meetings. The resolution is poor and the frame rate is much too slow; and (in this particular case) the camera was zoomed in a little too close to provide the best reference. Obviously, in the event of an accident or substantial damage, those low quality videos are usually much better than nothing. However, IMHO, they really shed little light on the sorts of "technique" issues that were addressed in the dialog. Personally, I am a long time "Boeing Bigot" and that makes "Airbus Bashing" just a little difficult for me to avoid--especially after reading that several recent designs from Airbus do not allow the pilot to cross control the aircraft. Clearly, some version of a classic "kick out" would be the natural way to make that sort of landing if the "rules" of the control system permitted it; but, even so, that landing did not look nearly as unsettling as most of the internet videos of routine landings at windy airports around the world. Peter |
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"Peter Dohm" wrote: Personally, I am a long time "Boeing Bigot" and that makes "Airbus Bashing" just a little difficult for me to avoid--especially after reading that several recent designs from Airbus do not allow the pilot to cross control the aircraft. Clearly, some version of a classic "kick out" would be the natural way to make that sort of landing if the "rules" of the control system permitted it; but, even so, that landing did not look nearly as unsettling as most of the internet videos of routine landings at windy airports around the world. The only unsettling thing for me was the strange bend in the middle of the wings after touchdown. Once I realized this was just how they were built, I couldn't see why this video merited comment at all. The comment about wing flex really puzzled me. I don't know how much an A380's wing is supposed to flex, but I suspect that these commenters don't know either. Wing flex varies so dramatically between airplanes that you can't just make a blanket statement like they did about how that degree of wing flex automatically implies a hard landing. On some planes, that much flex would mean you broke it. On others, like mine, you can get that much flex just by grabbing a wingtip and shaking it up and down gently at the right frequency. -- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon |
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John Smith wrote:
Safety first, and in a crosswind situation, it's safest to "plant" the plane. Even more so if you have a limited runway in front of you. Those two super pilots who comment have seen an A380 for the first time, yet they've become instant experts. Just cheap Airbus bashing. On the crosswind, all aviation videos (other than those taken standing on the centre line) appear to show massive drift angles. What sort of crosswind would require 10 deg of crab on an a/c of this size ? |
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Gilbert Smith wrote:
What sort of crosswind would require 10 deg of crab on an a/c of this size ? Crab angle depends on speed, not on size. I have no idea what the approach speed was. But assuming reasonable numbers, 10 degrees of crab yield a crosswind component of 20 to 25 knots. |
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"Robert Moore" wrote: Firm... yes, but not near as bad as Gryder makes it out to be. The crowd I was in went "ooh!" when the 380 touched down. It looked damned hard to me. -- Dan "How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!" -Chief Inspector Dreyfus |
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A380 hard landing at Oshkosh - video
On Aug 1, 10:39*am, "Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:
Yowser! Bob is right about this one . Another thing about certification is that a transport category plane is certified to touch down in a crab right up to its cross wind limit . The idiot narrating this video should try landing one of these in a cross wind without contacting the ground with the engine nacelle . On the Boeing you only get a few degrees before this becomes a factor . Gyder is an idiot . FB |
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A380 hard landing at Oshkosh - video
Agreed!
They HAVE to be landed in a crab, or you drag that expensive #1 0r #4 engine on the rny! They are designed to handle the side stress.... Tires (are still) cheaper than engines.... Dave On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:16:27 -0700 (PDT), K M wrote: On Aug 1, 10:39*am, "Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote: Yowser! Bob is right about this one . Another thing about certification is that a transport category plane is certified to touch down in a crab right up to its cross wind limit . The idiot narrating this video should try landing one of these in a cross wind without contacting the ground with the engine nacelle . On the Boeing you only get a few degrees before this becomes a factor . Gyder is an idiot . FB |
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