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Refinishing Ventus b Fuselage
On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 2:56:36 PM UTC-4, John Seaborn (A8) wrote:
Nick, the refinish question is a large problem for an aging fleet of gliders with gelcoat. That club GROB which is worth about $30,000 but needs refinishing will cost around $20,000 to refinish commercially if the club cannot do it using members sweat equity. Same with other aging gliders with gelcoat. There has to be a better way in which a single company with the right tools (think standing robot) could specialize in this type of refinish at a lower cost structure. Hats off to Richard for documenting his refinish project. There used to be a company in Eastern Europe that did refinish and refurbishment of older gliders. Anyone know if they are still in business? "Going" rate(what people have been paying) is about $27k for a 15 meter glider. That would put the Grob at more like $35k at the same shop. UH |
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Refinishing Ventus b Fuselage
At 18:56 23 October 2018, John Seaborn A8 wrote:
There used to be a company in Eastern Europe that did refinish and ref= urbishment of older gliders. Anyone know if they are still in business? There's a fair few companies very active in refinishing gliders, in Eastern Europe. Prices vary though, as does quality. |
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Refinishing Ventus b Fuselage
Those Egyptians built those pyramids with slave labor.
We need slaves and we need them now! |
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Refinishing Ventus b Fuselage
27K to 35K for a refinish?!
Jeez the Fleet is in trouble, who's got that kind of money? |
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Refinishing Ventus b Fuselage
On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 5:39:19 PM UTC-7, Nick Kennedy wrote:
27K to 35K for a refinish?! Jeez the Fleet is in trouble, who's got that kind of money? Sprayed hopefully the last coat of Vinyl Ester Fairing Primer. Material specifications on the website. http://www.craggyaero.com/ventus.htm Richard www.craggyaero.com |
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Refinishing Ventus b Fuselage
On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 8:39:19 PM UTC-4, Nick Kennedy wrote:
27K to 35K for a refinish?! Jeez the Fleet is in trouble, who's got that kind of money? Ya think? That is why I have helped one local club to get up to speed on refinishing their ships as club projects. They are on their third project this year. Our club refinished our '21 a few years ago.. Another club in our area is going to give it a shot this year with support from P3 and myself. UH |
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Refinishing Ventus b Fuselage
On Wednesday, 24 October 2018 18:37:37 UTC-6, Nick Kennedy wrote:
Those Egyptians built those pyramids with slave labor. We need slaves and we need them now! Are you volunteering your son? |
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Refinishing Ventus b Fuselage
Le jeudi 25 octobre 2018 02:39:19 UTC+2, Nick Kennedy a écritÂ*:
27K to 35K for a refinish?! Jeez the Fleet is in trouble, who's got that kind of money? We've just got back one of our LS4 from Slovenia. PU + interior + €3000 of repair come up to €18000. |
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Refinishing Ventus b Fuselage
On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 7:03:44 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 8:39:19 PM UTC-4, Nick Kennedy wrote: 27K to 35K for a refinish?! Jeez the Fleet is in trouble, who's got that kind of money? Ya think? That is why I have helped one local club to get up to speed on refinishing their ships as club projects. They are on their third project this year. Our club refinished our '21 a few years ago.. Another club in our area is going to give it a shot this year with support from P3 and myself. UH One club member (ACA) expressed this as a rewarding club experience at the Focus on Clubs luncheon a couple of SSA Conventions ago. Other clubs have done similar projects. I recall one (SSB) that polished a 1-34 to gain a bunch of payload. Another (TBSS) where, at one time, the entire fleet was insurance salvage returned to service. And others that have built facilities.. I would suggest that projects that put gliders and keep gliders in the air are the best as club activities. Frank Whiteley |
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Refinishing Ventus b Fuselage
I suspect that another part of the problem is that the return on investment for refinishing is not dollar for dollar. In my experience, a quality refinish (and I have seen some good ones from both domestic and foreign shops) only adds about 60% or so of the cost to the sale value of the glider. So using Hank's figures of $27K for a refinish of a beat out 15m glider - if you start with a $20K glider you spend $27K to get a glider worth about $35K when done. Unless it's a glider that you really love, it doesn't make sense to pay to have it done. A lower cost option would really help the fleet.
ROY (who refinished a 20m glider at home - and is, of course, now divorced) |
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