"normal" procedure for pop-up filing

S Herman wrote:



This is for IR pilots only, right? A non-IR pilot cannot file an IFR
flight plan, can they?

Nothing prevents that. The only rules are that you can not operate
under IFR (or conditions less than VFR). There's no prohibition on
what flight plans you file. You can file to fly B-747's at the flight
levels if you really want.

Roy,
You actually can get a squawk code for VFR flight following on the
ground sometimes. I have done it at BLM enroute to FRG. Called Bradley
on the ground and told them I was departing BLM to the north and wanted
to transition the Bravo....could they give me a code and pass me
thru..The Bradley controller took the info..called me back with radar
contact after I was airborne and then passed me thru the NY Bravo to
FRG no problems. I don't know if they will always do it..but what's the
harm in asking.

Roy,
You actually can get a squawk code for VFR flight following on the
ground sometimes. I have done it at BLM enroute to FRG. Called Bradley
on the ground and told them I was departing BLM to the north and wanted
to transition the Bravo....could they give me a code and pass me
thru..The Bradley controller took the info..called me back with radar
contact after I was airborne and then passed me thru the NY Bravo to
FRG no problems. I don't know if they will always do it..but what's the
harm in asking.

Roy,
You actually can get a squawk code for VFR flight following on the
ground sometimes. I have done it at BLM enroute to FRG. Called Bradley
on the ground and told them I was departing BLM to the north and wanted
to transition the Bravo....could they give me a code and pass me
thru..The Bradley controller took the info..called me back with radar
contact after I was airborne and then passed me thru the NY Bravo to
FRG no problems. I don't know if they will always do it..but what's the
harm in asking.

On Wed, 25 May 2005 14:23:46 -0400, Ron Natalie
wrote:

S Herman wrote:



This is for IR pilots only, right? A non-IR pilot cannot file an IFR
flight plan, can they?

Nothing prevents that. The only rules are that you can not operate
under IFR (or conditions less than VFR). There's no prohibition on
what flight plans you file. You can file to fly B-747's at the flight
levels if you really want.

So a non-IR pilot can file IFR, but cannot then execute that flight
plan, even if VFR conditions exist at all points of the flight?

How do IR students practice approaches, etc. when they don't have the
CFII aboard? With a safety pilot?

S Herman wrote:
On Wed, 25 May 2005 14:23:46 -0400, Ron Natalie
wrote:


S Herman wrote:



This is for IR pilots only, right? A non-IR pilot cannot file an IFR
flight plan, can they?

Nothing prevents that. The only rules are that you can not operate
under IFR (or conditions less than VFR). There's no prohibition on
what flight plans you file. You can file to fly B-747's at the flight
levels if you really want.


So a non-IR pilot can file IFR, but cannot then execute that flight
plan, even if VFR conditions exist at all points of the flight?

Accepting a clearance without an instrument rating (and currency, and
appropriate equipment, and maybe some other things) is not allowed. That's
probably what you meant by "execute".


How do IR students practice approaches, etc. when they don't have the
CFII aboard? With a safety pilot?

They practice instrument procedures under VFR. Instrument rated pilots may
actually obtain an instrument clearance and do practice approaches under IFR,
but if the meteorological conditions allow, instrument practice is often done VFR.

S Herman wrote:
So a non-IR pilot can file IFR, but cannot then execute that flight
plan, even if VFR conditions exist at all points of the flight?

That's correct. You have to be IFR rated to accept an IFR clearance
(i.e. to act as PIC under IFR). On the other hand, anybody can file
an IFR flight plan. You don't need to be PIC to be a data-entry
clerk.

How do IR students practice approaches, etc. when they don't have the
CFII aboard? With a safety pilot?

If the safety pilot is capable and willing to be be PIC under IFR,
they could do that. But, the answer you were probably looking for is
that you can just ask for a "practice" approach:

"New York Approach, Archer 25629 requests practice ILS 16 into White
Plains".

"Archer 25629, fly heading 180 to intercept the localizer, maintain
3000 until established, cleared ILS 16, maintain VFR at all times".

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...
S Herman wrote:
So a non-IR pilot can file IFR, but cannot then execute that flight
plan, even if VFR conditions exist at all points of the flight?

That's correct. You have to be IFR rated to accept an IFR clearance
(i.e. to act as PIC under IFR). On the other hand, anybody can file
an IFR flight plan. You don't need to be PIC to be a data-entry
clerk.

How do IR students practice approaches, etc. when they don't have the
CFII aboard? With a safety pilot?

If the safety pilot is capable and willing to be be PIC under IFR,
they could do that. But, the answer you were probably looking for is
that you can just ask for a "practice" approach:

The safety pilot would have to be IFR rated.

S Herman wrote:

On Wed, 25 May 2005 10:54:28 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Antoñio" wrote in message
roups.com...

That will guarantee you get flight following?


No, it will do what Ray wants, "pre-file your VFR flight plan with DUATS so
ATC already has a strip on you at initial call-up, just like with IFR."
Nothing can guarantee you get flight following.



This is for IR pilots only, right? A non-IR pilot cannot file an IFR
flight plan, can they?

You are probably OK filing the plan, but I think if you request and
receive a clearance ... you are illegal.


Matt

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...

I plan to file this again for a real trip this weekend to see how the
TRACON reacts. I suspect it's something they rarely, if ever, see.


It won't work everywhere, some ARTCCs inhibit the processing of VFR flight
plans like this to TRACONs they host. Chicago ARTCC is one, I don't know
how many others there are.