51.2 Hours Cross Country PIC,

Well today's flight to the KDLS Put me Over 50 hours X-C You can view my
Excel Log of the times http://www.warflying.net/xc I can now relax abit I
worked hard on the 50 Hours PIC X-C.

Thursday if my instructor can get in to Portland I will be getting my
instrument written sign off and then I will be getting the instrument
written out of the way also.

Now I am going to work on my solo time of 5 Hours of night and a 300NM X-C I
think I will take a week to plan it out I know it needs to be 300NM strait
line of 250NM with 3 stops. Can we count the return trip as part of the
300NM trip. The wife and kid are going to be bummed out because they like
flying with me and they will not get to go but that means no one to have a
conversation with also: (

I know it needs to be 300NM strait
line of 250NM with 3 stops. Can we count the return trip as part of the
300NM trip.


Yes. Nothing says that it can't be round robin. The 250NM straight line
distance ensures sufficient cross countryishness.

Jose

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If you are working on your instrument rating... I do not know where the
300nm XC comes in..

But.. the 250nm X-C is "instrument training on cross country flight
procedures specific to airplanes that includes at least one cross country
flight in an airplane that is performed under IFR and consists of (A) a
distance of at least 250nm along airways or ATC routings (B) an instrument
approach at each airport (C) Three different kinds of approaches with use of
the navigation systems. (FAR61.65(d)((iii))

To me that means you bring your CFII and sign it off as dual received or it
don't count.. and you need to fly it under IFR rules (with an ATC
clearance?) and under the hood or in actual IFR conditions and it can be a
250nm round robin with the 3rd approach being back at home airport. The
Family can come along and sit in the back and watch you suffer if they
want.. but you can always chit chat with the CFII if they chose not to join
you.

I think you are confusing the Commercial requirement under
FAR61.129(a)(4)(i) which describes a SOLO cross country flight requirement
of at least 300nm with the farthest airport being a straight line distance
from departure of at least 250nm. And in that case.. SOLO means no family.

glad to see your making progress
BT

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
...
Well today's flight to the KDLS Put me Over 50 hours X-C You can view my
Excel Log of the times http://www.warflying.net/xc I can now relax abit I
worked hard on the 50 Hours PIC X-C.

Thursday if my instructor can get in to Portland I will be getting my
instrument written sign off and then I will be getting the instrument
written out of the way also.

Now I am going to work on my solo time of 5 Hours of night and a 300NM X-C
I
think I will take a week to plan it out I know it needs to be 300NM strait
line of 250NM with 3 stops. Can we count the return trip as part of the
300NM trip. The wife and kid are going to be bummed out because they like
flying with me and they will not get to go but that means no one to have a
conversation with also: (

No, I am talking about the commercial requirement 300NM trip. I am just
trying to get all the requirements that I can do on my own done now while
the weather is nice.


"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:nJoEc.7263$z81.1843@fed1read01...
If you are working on your instrument rating... I do not know where the
300nm XC comes in..

But.. the 250nm X-C is "instrument training on cross country flight
procedures specific to airplanes that includes at least one cross country
flight in an airplane that is performed under IFR and consists of (A) a
distance of at least 250nm along airways or ATC routings (B) an instrument
approach at each airport (C) Three different kinds of approaches with use
of
the navigation systems. (FAR61.65(d)((iii))

To me that means you bring your CFII and sign it off as dual received or
it
don't count.. and you need to fly it under IFR rules (with an ATC
clearance?) and under the hood or in actual IFR conditions and it can be a
250nm round robin with the 3rd approach being back at home airport. The
Family can come along and sit in the back and watch you suffer if they
want.. but you can always chit chat with the CFII if they chose not to
join
you.

I think you are confusing the Commercial requirement under
FAR61.129(a)(4)(i) which describes a SOLO cross country flight requirement
of at least 300nm with the farthest airport being a straight line distance
from departure of at least 250nm. And in that case.. SOLO means no family.

glad to see your making progress
BT

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
...
Well today's flight to the KDLS Put me Over 50 hours X-C You can view my
Excel Log of the times http://www.warflying.net/xc I can now relax abit
I
worked hard on the 50 Hours PIC X-C.

Thursday if my instructor can get in to Portland I will be getting my
instrument written sign off and then I will be getting the instrument
written out of the way also.

Now I am going to work on my solo time of 5 Hours of night and a 300NM
X-C
I
think I will take a week to plan it out I know it needs to be 300NM
strait
line of 250NM with 3 stops. Can we count the return trip as part of the
300NM trip. The wife and kid are going to be bummed out because they
like
flying with me and they will not get to go but that means no one to have
a
conversation with also: (

ok... you had me cornfuzzled.. because you were talking about taking the
instrument written and had just completed the 50hrs x-c PIC time required
for the instrument rating... changing in mid stream/sentence..

BT

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
news
No, I am talking about the commercial requirement 300NM trip. I am just
trying to get all the requirements that I can do on my own done now while
the weather is nice.


"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:nJoEc.7263$z81.1843@fed1read01...
If you are working on your instrument rating... I do not know where the
300nm XC comes in..

But.. the 250nm X-C is "instrument training on cross country flight
procedures specific to airplanes that includes at least one cross
country
flight in an airplane that is performed under IFR and consists of (A) a
distance of at least 250nm along airways or ATC routings (B) an
instrument
approach at each airport (C) Three different kinds of approaches with
use
of
the navigation systems. (FAR61.65(d)((iii))

To me that means you bring your CFII and sign it off as dual received or
it
don't count.. and you need to fly it under IFR rules (with an ATC
clearance?) and under the hood or in actual IFR conditions and it can be
a
250nm round robin with the 3rd approach being back at home airport. The
Family can come along and sit in the back and watch you suffer if they
want.. but you can always chit chat with the CFII if they chose not to
join
you.

I think you are confusing the Commercial requirement under
FAR61.129(a)(4)(i) which describes a SOLO cross country flight
requirement
of at least 300nm with the farthest airport being a straight line
distance
from departure of at least 250nm. And in that case.. SOLO means no
family.

glad to see your making progress
BT

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
...
Well today's flight to the KDLS Put me Over 50 hours X-C You can view
my
Excel Log of the times http://www.warflying.net/xc I can now relax
abit
I
worked hard on the 50 Hours PIC X-C.

Thursday if my instructor can get in to Portland I will be getting my
instrument written sign off and then I will be getting the instrument
written out of the way also.

Now I am going to work on my solo time of 5 Hours of night and a 300NM
X-C
I
think I will take a week to plan it out I know it needs to be 300NM
strait
line of 250NM with 3 stops. Can we count the return trip as part of
the
300NM trip. The wife and kid are going to be bummed out because they
like
flying with me and they will not get to go but that means no one to
have
a
conversation with also: (

Well here goes another delay no instrument written sign off today, what a
bummer I guess I will have to wait another week or so for my instructor to
get back in town : (


"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:0qpEc.7269$z81.4597@fed1read01...
ok... you had me cornfuzzled.. because you were talking about taking the
instrument written and had just completed the 50hrs x-c PIC time required
for the instrument rating... changing in mid stream/sentence..

BT

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
news
No, I am talking about the commercial requirement 300NM trip. I am just
trying to get all the requirements that I can do on my own done now
while
the weather is nice.


"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:nJoEc.7263$z81.1843@fed1read01...
If you are working on your instrument rating... I do not know where
the
300nm XC comes in..

But.. the 250nm X-C is "instrument training on cross country flight
procedures specific to airplanes that includes at least one cross
country
flight in an airplane that is performed under IFR and consists of (A)
a
distance of at least 250nm along airways or ATC routings (B) an
instrument
approach at each airport (C) Three different kinds of approaches with
use
of
the navigation systems. (FAR61.65(d)((iii))

To me that means you bring your CFII and sign it off as dual received
or
it
don't count.. and you need to fly it under IFR rules (with an ATC
clearance?) and under the hood or in actual IFR conditions and it can
be
a
250nm round robin with the 3rd approach being back at home airport.
The
Family can come along and sit in the back and watch you suffer if they
want.. but you can always chit chat with the CFII if they chose not to
join
you.

I think you are confusing the Commercial requirement under
FAR61.129(a)(4)(i) which describes a SOLO cross country flight
requirement
of at least 300nm with the farthest airport being a straight line
distance
from departure of at least 250nm. And in that case.. SOLO means no
family.

glad to see your making progress
BT

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
...
Well today's flight to the KDLS Put me Over 50 hours X-C You can
view
my
Excel Log of the times http://www.warflying.net/xc I can now relax
abit
I
worked hard on the 50 Hours PIC X-C.

Thursday if my instructor can get in to Portland I will be getting
my
instrument written sign off and then I will be getting the
instrument
written out of the way also.

Now I am going to work on my solo time of 5 Hours of night and a
300NM
X-C
I
think I will take a week to plan it out I know it needs to be 300NM
strait
line of 250NM with 3 stops. Can we count the return trip as part of
the
300NM trip. The wife and kid are going to be bummed out because they
like
flying with me and they will not get to go but that means no one to
have
a
conversation with also: (

if you had used the GLIEM CD for test prep... it prints out the "Sign off"
when you have correctly answered all the questions in the test data bank..

I used that for my Commercial.. Instrument and CFI FOI

BT

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
...
Well here goes another delay no instrument written sign off today, what a
bummer I guess I will have to wait another week or so for my instructor to
get back in town : (


"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:0qpEc.7269$z81.4597@fed1read01...
ok... you had me cornfuzzled.. because you were talking about taking the
instrument written and had just completed the 50hrs x-c PIC time
required
for the instrument rating... changing in mid stream/sentence..

BT

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
news
No, I am talking about the commercial requirement 300NM trip. I am
just
trying to get all the requirements that I can do on my own done now
while
the weather is nice.


"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:nJoEc.7263$z81.1843@fed1read01...
If you are working on your instrument rating... I do not know where
the
300nm XC comes in..

But.. the 250nm X-C is "instrument training on cross country flight
procedures specific to airplanes that includes at least one cross
country
flight in an airplane that is performed under IFR and consists of
(A)
a
distance of at least 250nm along airways or ATC routings (B) an
instrument
approach at each airport (C) Three different kinds of approaches
with
use
of
the navigation systems. (FAR61.65(d)((iii))

To me that means you bring your CFII and sign it off as dual
received
or
it
don't count.. and you need to fly it under IFR rules (with an ATC
clearance?) and under the hood or in actual IFR conditions and it
can
be
a
250nm round robin with the 3rd approach being back at home airport.
The
Family can come along and sit in the back and watch you suffer if
they
want.. but you can always chit chat with the CFII if they chose not
to
join
you.

I think you are confusing the Commercial requirement under
FAR61.129(a)(4)(i) which describes a SOLO cross country flight
requirement
of at least 300nm with the farthest airport being a straight line
distance
from departure of at least 250nm. And in that case.. SOLO means no
family.

glad to see your making progress
BT

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
...
Well today's flight to the KDLS Put me Over 50 hours X-C You can
view
my
Excel Log of the times http://www.warflying.net/xc I can now relax
abit
I
worked hard on the 50 Hours PIC X-C.

Thursday if my instructor can get in to Portland I will be getting
my
instrument written sign off and then I will be getting the
instrument
written out of the way also.

Now I am going to work on my solo time of 5 Hours of night and a
300NM
X-C
I
think I will take a week to plan it out I know it needs to be
300NM
strait
line of 250NM with 3 stops. Can we count the return trip as part
of
the
300NM trip. The wife and kid are going to be bummed out because
they
like
flying with me and they will not get to go but that means no one
to
have
a
conversation with also: (