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Skysurfer wrote:
It's true that USA is the friend of good democracies such as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait where the terrorists don't come from ... No, but it is true that we've allied with a lot of bad people so we can stop *worse* people from getting what they want. -- cirby at cfl.rr.com Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations. Slam on brakes accordingly. |
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Skysurfer wrote: Who is naive to believe that Irak was behind spetember the 11th ? Who is corrupt enough to look the other way on Iraq so TotalFinaElf can make a lot of money? -- cirby at cfl.rr.com Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations. Slam on brakes accordingly. |
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Umm, they didn't "pull out" of NATO. They very conveniently stayed in
just enough to whine about stuff but far enough out to never actually do any work. Actually, they did pull out of NATO. By March 1966, deGaulle had withdrawn France from NATO and its command structure because he felt that France needed to be independent of joint security considerations, which would not have been possible had they remained in NATO. As an example, they would have been unable to bar the presence of missiles from their soil that were under foreign (to them) control, which was a step that de Gaulle actually took. They remained out of NATO until Mitterand brought them back in during the early '90s, although I am not sure of that date or time period. George Z. As I remember they pulled out at least partly due to the Cuban missile crisis. It became apparent to them, and everyone else, that Europe could not depend on the US not to sell them out in a crisis. As happened. The US were willing to do a secret deal with the Soviets to pull out the missiles from Turkey in exchange for the Soviets pulling their missiles out of Cuba. The US would not be willing to commit to full scale war for Europe. The French felt that they needed an independent nuclear capability to deter the Soviets, rather than relying on the US, who had demonstrated a willingness to sacrifice NATO security for their own. Not that I blame the US. The whole massive retaliation thing wasn't a really practical proposition. In may sound good in theory, but when things come to a crunch, the US really couldn't be expected to make the supreme sacrifice for Europe. The Europeans knew this and were always wary of US efforts to distance themselves, or to restrict nuclear war just to Europe. I guess if the French nuked Moscow, the Soviets wouldn't have worried who they nuked in retaliation. Share the pain. As for the Transall, my 1968 Observors says crew of 4, 81 troops or 62 casualty stretchers and 4 medical attendants. Other (vehicle) loads not exceeding 35,270 lb. weight.Military Transports and Training Aircraft of the World add cross section of the cabin is 9ft, 7in by 10 ft 2 1/2 in for a length of 42 ft. |
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I put a wee bit off info under the first thread, after a brief diversion to
Cuba. Actually, after the above, crap, I don't think the Americans deserve allies. Bring our troops back and **** 'em. We're not going to get any thanks if our troops are in Iraq or Afghanistan so let the American troops die. Opps, now I'm starting to rant! But those ignorant fools really **** me off. Brian wrote in message . net... Not intelligently, no. -- Brian - harpoon at thegrafixguy dot com "C Knowles" wrote in message news Ever get your question answered? "Brian" wrote in message news:Bz6db.436620$Oz4.244338@rwcrnsc54... Anyone have any data in regards to the types of military vehicles and number carried that could fit inside the plane for air transport? Looking at the French Army vehicle mainly - thanks in advance Brian |
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"shonen" wrote in message ... As I remember they pulled out at least partly due to the Cuban missile crisis. It became apparent to them, and everyone else, that Europe could not depend on the US not to sell them out in a crisis. As happened. The US were willing to do a secret deal with the Soviets to pull out the missiles from Turkey in exchange for the Soviets pulling their missiles out of Cuba. The US would not be willing to commit to full scale war for Europe. The French felt that they needed an independent nuclear capability to deter the Soviets, rather than relying on the US, who had demonstrated a willingness to sacrifice NATO security for their own. Incorrect The Cuban missile crisis happened in 1962 France withdrew its forces from the Nato command structure in 1966 giving as a reason the dominance of US commanders in the organisation. There was nothing in the NATO charter to prevent France developing its own strategic deterrent , this is in fact what the UK did. Keith |
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"ArVa" wrote:
"Alan Minyard" a écrit dans le message de .. . So who said we want france as an ally? Well, almost all your top government officials, including your president... Or were they all lying while crossing their fingers in their back? That would probably be a premiere... :-) partially because of comments like the one above. I don't think he was refering to France only. Don't you want allies and friends at all? Geez, I really wonder what disturbs you so much in Clark's statement... ArVa I'll tell you Arva. The Jews want to do something despicable and completely unacceptable in the ME. They can swing their slaves, the Zomboid Amerikong into docile acquiescense, only if the global protest doesn't much matter. Only nukes matter. Hence the beastlike xenophobia. Grantland |
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