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Old August 2nd 06, 10:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.owning
Paul kgyy
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Twice in 2 days I've filed VFR flight plans only to have FSS unable to
find them when I called on radio after takeoff. One was filed through
Duats at 9PM for noon next day (and left at noon). The other was filed
with a briefer at Terre Haute at 10PM for 8AM next day (and left on
time).

In both cases I had to re-file over the radio.

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Old August 2nd 06, 11:08 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.owning
Robert M. Gary
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Default Missing flight plans

I thought DUATS VFR flight plans were never available to FSS, they have
to open them blind.
-Robert

Paul kgyy wrote:
Twice in 2 days I've filed VFR flight plans only to have FSS unable to
find them when I called on radio after takeoff. One was filed through
Duats at 9PM for noon next day (and left at noon). The other was filed
with a briefer at Terre Haute at 10PM for 8AM next day (and left on
time).

In both cases I had to re-file over the radio.


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Old August 2nd 06, 11:43 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.owning
Michael Ware
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Default Missing flight plans

They can activate or cancel them but cannot amend them.
Mike

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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I thought DUATS VFR flight plans were never available to FSS, they have
to open them blind.
-Robert

Paul kgyy wrote:
Twice in 2 days I've filed VFR flight plans only to have FSS unable to
find them when I called on radio after takeoff. One was filed through
Duats at 9PM for noon next day (and left at noon). The other was filed
with a briefer at Terre Haute at 10PM for 8AM next day (and left on
time).

In both cases I had to re-file over the radio.




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Old August 3rd 06, 12:03 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.owning
Greg Copeland[_1_]
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Default Missing flight plans

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:34:13 -0700, Paul kgyy wrote:

Twice in 2 days I've filed VFR flight plans only to have FSS unable to
find them when I called on radio after takeoff. One was filed through
Duats at 9PM for noon next day (and left at noon). The other was filed
with a briefer at Terre Haute at 10PM for 8AM next day (and left on
time).

In both cases I had to re-file over the radio.


I had a flight plan magically open on me. I had filed three flight plans,
one for each leg of my trip, and had opened and closed two of them. I
couldn't raise FSS on my return leg (flight plan #3) and so was not able
to open it. Shortly after landing I got a call on my cell phone asking if
I had made it to my destination and to inform me I had failed to close my
flight plan from the return trip home.

None of us understood how that happened but the guy on the other end
wasn't too worried about it.

Greg


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Old August 3rd 06, 01:35 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.owning
Travis Marlatte
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Default Missing flight plans

You said that you couldn't raise FSS so I assume that you tried. FSS
probably heard your radio calls even though you never heard their response.
They may have opened your flight plan as a default - or maybe your initial
radio calls included the request.

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Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK
"Greg Copeland" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:34:13 -0700, Paul kgyy wrote:

Twice in 2 days I've filed VFR flight plans only to have FSS unable to
find them when I called on radio after takeoff. One was filed through
Duats at 9PM for noon next day (and left at noon). The other was filed
with a briefer at Terre Haute at 10PM for 8AM next day (and left on
time).

In both cases I had to re-file over the radio.


I had a flight plan magically open on me. I had filed three flight plans,
one for each leg of my trip, and had opened and closed two of them. I
couldn't raise FSS on my return leg (flight plan #3) and so was not able
to open it. Shortly after landing I got a call on my cell phone asking if
I had made it to my destination and to inform me I had failed to close my
flight plan from the return trip home.

None of us understood how that happened but the guy on the other end
wasn't too worried about it.

Greg




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Old August 3rd 06, 02:26 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.owning
Emily[_1_]
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Default Missing flight plans

Paul kgyy wrote:
Twice in 2 days I've filed VFR flight plans only to have FSS unable to
find them when I called on radio after takeoff. One was filed through
Duats at 9PM for noon next day (and left at noon). The other was filed
with a briefer at Terre Haute at 10PM for 8AM next day (and left on
time).

In both cases I had to re-file over the radio.


I remember filing a flight plan and hopping in the plane two hours
later. Ground let me sit there for fifteen minutes while they contacted
center, came back on, told me to get out and call FSS again. Repeated
the process once more before I gave up and left VFR and filed in the air
(yeah, for some reason I REALLY wanted to be IFR, can't remember why)

(this was Terre Haute as well, for those keeping track).
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Old August 3rd 06, 02:34 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.owning
BTIZ
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Default Missing flight plans

There is an online method to post problems at the Lockheed Martin Web site.

I posted a problem on Monday after getting advice from this forum and today
I had a response via email from the station manager, identifying the problem
and asking me to try it again.

Time to voice that complaint. http://www.afss.com/feedback/
It seems to be working for me.

BT

"Paul kgyy" wrote in message
ups.com...
Twice in 2 days I've filed VFR flight plans only to have FSS unable to
find them when I called on radio after takeoff. One was filed through
Duats at 9PM for noon next day (and left at noon). The other was filed
with a briefer at Terre Haute at 10PM for 8AM next day (and left on
time).

In both cases I had to re-file over the radio.



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Old August 3rd 06, 02:41 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.owning
Michael Ware
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Default Missing flight plans


"Emily" wrote in message
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Paul kgyy wrote:
Twice in 2 days I've filed VFR flight plans only to have FSS unable to
find them when I called on radio after takeoff. One was filed through
Duats at 9PM for noon next day (and left at noon). The other was filed
with a briefer at Terre Haute at 10PM for 8AM next day (and left on
time).

In both cases I had to re-file over the radio.


I remember filing a flight plan and hopping in the plane two hours
later. Ground let me sit there for fifteen minutes while they contacted
center, came back on, told me to get out and call FSS again. Repeated
the process once more before I gave up and left VFR and filed in the air
(yeah, for some reason I REALLY wanted to be IFR, can't remember why)

(this was Terre Haute as well, for those keeping track).

Never had any trouble with Terre Haute. Cleveland dropped the ball once.


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Old August 3rd 06, 02:48 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.owning
Wizard of Draws[_1_]
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On 8/2/06 7:03 PM, in article ,
"Greg Copeland" wrote:

I had a flight plan magically open on me. I had filed three flight plans,
one for each leg of my trip, and had opened and closed two of them. I
couldn't raise FSS on my return leg (flight plan #3) and so was not able
to open it. Shortly after landing I got a call on my cell phone asking if
I had made it to my destination and to inform me I had failed to close my
flight plan from the return trip home.

None of us understood how that happened but the guy on the other end
wasn't too worried about it.

Greg



Some time ago on a cross-country that took me near, not into, Chattanooga's
airspace, I notified them where I was as a courtesy. They gave me a code to
squawk. After I was well clear of their airspace, they told me to resume own
navigation. Fat, dumb and happy, I squawked 1200 and went on to land at my
home base. After I hanging out a bit, the airport manager came up to me and
chewed me out for not closing my flight plan. I guess Chattanooga opened one
for me.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino

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http://www.wizardofdraws.com

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Old August 3rd 06, 04:37 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jim Carter[_1_]
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Default Missing flight plans

Three weeks ago, on a Saturday morning we had a plan on file, opened
with Jonesboro Radio and went trucking off merrily across the
countryside. We arrived at our destination about 2.5 later and called to
cancel - the plan was never opened. Kind of scary...

Regards,

James A. (Jim) Carter


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul kgyy [mailto Posted At: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 16:34
Posted To: rec.aviation.piloting
Conversation: Missing flight plans
Subject: Missing flight plans

Twice in 2 days I've filed VFR flight plans only to have FSS unable to
find them when I called on radio after takeoff. One was filed through
Duats at 9PM for noon next day (and left at noon). The other was

filed
with a briefer at Terre Haute at 10PM for 8AM next day (and left on
time).

In both cases I had to re-file over the radio.


 




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