Leaving Usnet Groups, Bye

Dudley Henriques wrote:

"Rich Lemert" wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques wrote:

.......or what has come to be for me at least; the ultimate mystery of
Usenet......that being the existence of people out here who actually will
wait patiently for a particular poster they don't like to post
something....ANYTHING......and then check every word...every
statement......every meaning....in the twisted hope that the poster they
don't particularly like very well will make a mistake.....no matter how
tiny a mistake or error...that THEY can jump on immediately to use as
"absolute proof" that the object of their "exposure" is flawed!

Consider yourself lucky if they're actually waiting for you to post
something so they can try to embarass you with it. I've been a regular
in sci.research.careers, and they've got a guy over there who doesn't
even bother waiting for me to post something in order to mis-represent
my views.

Rich Lemert


It's become more or less expected on these groups by many who post on them.
It's no big deal really, but it takes a lot of the fun out of posting and
eventually runs a lot of fairly well qualified and experienced people off
the groups, or as it has done in my case, turns them into totally hostile
posters.
My Usenet persona has come 180 degrees from when I first arrived on Usenet 6
years ago, especially on this group right here. I used to assume a neutral
or even friendly atmosphere from posters until shown otherwise. I now assume
a totally hostile environment unless I know the poster I'm dealing with (and
there are indeed some very fine people here) or the people posting with me
demonstrate to me that they are not hostile.
Dudley Henriques

I've been using usenet for 10+ years and have found that people tend to
come across as more hostile in writing than they really are in person.
This happens in email as well. You don't have the inflection and other
nonverbal cues that you get in mano-y-mano conversation and it is easy
for things to escalate well beyond what anyone intended.

Sure, some folks are that way naturally, but I think fairly few in
reality. I think much more is inadvertant than intentional.

MAtt

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
ink.net...
Of course a lot of the people I've known in aviation worked daily in it's
most dangerous environment. When you work in this arena, you have a
tendency to learn early on what's important and what isn't important in
life. The back stabbing and nit picking found at almost every level of the
outside professional work place for the most part doesn't exist with these
people.

Forgive me if this comes out wrong, bit this reminds me of a few things I
discussed with my wife. She had problems with a few acquaintances that
imposed themselves as friends. They would set lunch dates with her and give
her grief if she did not accept or would cancel. Each meeting she would
find draining because these "friends" would complain about their lives
endlessly.

So I had to tell her a little thing I learned years ago that helped change
things, "Just because the phone rings doesn't mean you have to answer it."
This helped me when I was an Auxiliary police officer here in New York. An
unarmed volunteer in a very real police uniform walking the beat in Queens.
There you learn early on that just because a person is yelling profanity
doesn't mean you have to yell back.
You learn that flashing a badge doesn't mean squat to a person that is just
plain ****ed off, and also that no amount of reasoning will stop a person
that wants to rant. Working in this capacity one would think "well, real
cops have it easier because they have guns and people respect that." Well,
that isn't true. They have it worse.
You would think you could tell a person while in a police uniform that
"there is a power line down ahead, you can't drive down this road," that
they would not yell at you " I HAVE to get down that road. Nope.
You know what works best there? You say, "well you can't" and you direct
your attention elsewhere. They mutter and drive off. Arguing just prolongs
the incident.
So,

This brings me to my way if dealing with Usenet and it has a lot to do with
what you say here;
"you have a tendency to learn early on what's important and what isn't
important in life"

ignoring the knuckleheads "phone calls" is the first step to getting
something from usenet besides a headache.


--
Dave A
Aging Student Pilot




"Roger" wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 May 2005 16:08:12 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
dhenriques@noware .net wrote:

Actually, being retired, I really never give it a thought either way
since I
won't be flying again. It's apparently only a big deal for a few
specific
morons on Usenet. My family, my friends, my professional associates past
and
present, and indeed even my country's government at the highest level
seem
to be quite happy with things just the way they are.
Only on Usenet will one find the idiots an issue like this one will
attract.

Oh, they exist IRL as well, but they can't hide behind anonymous
signatures so they are less prone to expressing themselves. It's far
more hazardous there. :-)) So they tend to talk among themselves
where they might find some one who will listen.

Yep, true enough, but believe it or not, (maybe I'm some kind of
exception), but most of the people I've known professionally were straight
shooters.
For the most part, it's a no nonsense, performance based world, and bull
**** walks there faster than any place else I've been to in my life.
Sort of the opposite of Usenet I guess :-))
Dudley

Well, then you would indeed have something to boast about, since it's
never been done.

Sure it has. I did it last week. The last digit of pi is eleven.

Jose
--
Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"Dave A." wrote in message
news:bqoee.15830$c86.1122@trndny09...
"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
ink.net...
Of course a lot of the people I've known in aviation worked daily in it's
most dangerous environment. When you work in this arena, you have a
tendency to learn early on what's important and what isn't important in
life. The back stabbing and nit picking found at almost every level of
the outside professional work place for the most part doesn't exist with
these people.

Forgive me if this comes out wrong, bit this reminds me of a few things I
discussed with my wife. She had problems with a few acquaintances that
imposed themselves as friends. They would set lunch dates with her and
give her grief if she did not accept or would cancel. Each meeting she
would find draining because these "friends" would complain about their
lives endlessly.

So I had to tell her a little thing I learned years ago that helped change
things, "Just because the phone rings doesn't mean you have to answer it."
This helped me when I was an Auxiliary police officer here in New York.
An unarmed volunteer in a very real police uniform walking the beat in
Queens. There you learn early on that just because a person is yelling
profanity doesn't mean you have to yell back.
You learn that flashing a badge doesn't mean squat to a person that is
just plain ****ed off, and also that no amount of reasoning will stop a
person that wants to rant. Working in this capacity one would think
"well, real cops have it easier because they have guns and people respect
that." Well, that isn't true. They have it worse.
You would think you could tell a person while in a police uniform that
"there is a power line down ahead, you can't drive down this road," that
they would not yell at you " I HAVE to get down that road. Nope.
You know what works best there? You say, "well you can't" and you direct
your attention elsewhere. They mutter and drive off. Arguing just
prolongs the incident.
So,

This brings me to my way if dealing with Usenet and it has a lot to do
with what you say here;
"you have a tendency to learn early on what's important and what isn't
important in life"

ignoring the knuckleheads "phone calls" is the first step to getting
something from usenet besides a headache.


--
Dave A
Aging Student Pilot

The first thing you learn in flying is NEVER to put much faith in general
analogies. They don't work for various reasons.
On Usenet, the old "ignore them" analogy usually ends up right back out here
on Usenet, being laid out by someone for someone else, as nothing more than
absolute proof that the analogy doesn't work in the first place.
:-)
No my friend....unfortunately it's man's basic flaws and individual
personalities that will determine how communication is carried out on
Usenet, not the old "ignore um" analogy.
But it sounds good anyway :-)))))

Dudley Henriques

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On Thu, 05 May 2005 02:08:25 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
dhenriques@noware .net wrote:


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On Thu, 05 May 2005 01:13:06 GMT, "John R. Copeland"
wrote:

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
rthlink.net...


Kind of makes you wonder what it must have been like for Alan Shepard
sitting on top of that Redstone just before they lit it....put
together
by
government workers after being assigned the job of building it as the
lowest
bidder for the contract.
:-))
Dudley Henriques


I thought Wally Schirra said that.

and I thought it was the private sector that bid on government
contracts, not "government workers".

Remind me in the future if I happen to state pi to extend it to it's
maximum
just for this newsgroup's more intellectual readers.
Dudley Henriques



Well, then you would indeed have something to boast about, since it's
never been done.

Try giving it a rest. Break for lunch or something.

Dudley Henriques

On Thu, 05 May 2005 14:47:51 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
dhenriques@noware .net wrote:

Remind me in the future if I happen to state pi to extend it to it's
maximum
just for this newsgroup's more intellectual readers.
Dudley Henriques



Well, then you would indeed have something to boast about, since it's
never been done.

Try giving it a rest. Break for lunch or something.

Dudley Henriques


C'mon, Dudster.

Lighten up. Don't take yourself so seriously.

Dudley Henriques wrote:

Sometimes I wonder, but there actually ARE some really intelligent people on
this group. One thing I've noticed though....most who fit the description
have real names. :-)


It was once said that if an infinite number of monkeys were placed at
typeriters that one would immediately write a great work of literature.

Nowadays, thanks to Usenet, we know that's not true :-)

http://www.ousterhout.net/funny/usenet.jpg

- John (my real name) Ousterhout -

wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 May 2005 14:47:51 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
dhenriques@noware .net wrote:

Remind me in the future if I happen to state pi to extend it to it's
maximum
just for this newsgroup's more intellectual readers.
Dudley Henriques



Well, then you would indeed have something to boast about, since it's
never been done.

Try giving it a rest. Break for lunch or something.

Dudley Henriques


C'mon, Dudster.

Lighten up. Don't take yourself so seriously.

Let me enlighten you on something my friend. I DO take myself QUITE
seriously and if you intend posting to me and desire intelligent and
meaningful dialog in return, I strongly suggest you try and refrain from
using a smart, superior, and condescending tone with me. I don't like it,
and it marks you as just one more Usenet "correction artist" to be avoided.
Here's a Henriques Usenet hint for you. If you are NOT posting to me in the
manner I've described above, USE A ****ING :-) and avoid the predictable
second post where you start telling someone who has taken what you have said
to them in the EXACT context it was written; how they should be "taking
themselves"
Trust me, it will save a whole lot of this type of bull **** when dealing
with me.

Dudley Henriques

"John Ousterhout" wrote in
message news:ftree.49608$r53.36068@attbi_s21...
Dudley Henriques wrote:

Sometimes I wonder, but there actually ARE some really intelligent people
on this group. One thing I've noticed though....most who fit the
description have real names. :-)


It was once said that if an infinite number of monkeys were placed at
typeriters that one would immediately write a great work of literature.

Nowadays, thanks to Usenet, we know that's not true :-)

http://www.ousterhout.net/funny/usenet.jpg

- John (my real name) Ousterhout -

Or perhaps reversing the equation to read ;
1 Chimpanzee at a single typewriter eventually typing "War and Peace" :-)
I think perhaps using either formula will find us still seeking an answer
for Usenet!
:-)

Dudley Henriques

On Thu, 05 May 2005 16:06:19 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
dhenriques@noware .net wrote:

Try giving it a rest. Break for lunch or something.

Dudley Henriques


C'mon, Dudster.

Lighten up. Don't take yourself so seriously.

Let me enlighten you on something my friend. I DO take myself QUITE
seriously and if you intend posting to me and desire intelligent and
meaningful dialog in return, I strongly suggest you try and refrain from
using a smart, superior, and condescending tone with me. I don't like it,
and it marks you as just one more Usenet "correction artist" to be avoided.
Here's a Henriques Usenet hint for you. If you are NOT posting to me in the
manner I've described above, USE A ****ING :-) and avoid the predictable
second post where you start telling someone who has taken what you have said
to them in the EXACT context it was written; how they should be "taking
themselves"
Trust me, it will save a whole lot of this type of bull **** when dealing
with me.

Dudley Henriques



Hey, Your Dudship,

Now you are not only taking yourself too seriously, you have obviously
just confused me with someone who gives a good **** what you think
about anything.

And let me assure you that I do not expect anything intelligent and
meaningful in any of your responses. So don't feel you are
disappointing me in any way.

So once again, lighten up. You'll live longer. And don't waste your
time and bandwidth on what you call "Henriques Usenet hints". I'm
sure to ignore them.

But thanks anyway, for the offer.